the FDA is bad at evaluating new technology (they approve things that shouldn’t be, and block things they shouldn’t); as an example, it took five years to pull thalidomide.
The FDA never approved thalidomide, so that doesn’t seem like an applicable example?
if it were safe, there would be the opposite, and people with visible side effects would be celebrated as heroes
I’m not sure that I follow the logic here. Are you taking the “safe” condition to mean that we would know exactly when some side effects are due to the vaccine, and when they are just coincidental (so there would never be any arguments over that)?
Strictly speaking, thalidomide was only authorized for some testing in the US and never received full approval, but there were thalidomide babies born in the US. There are plenty of examples of drugs and devices which were approved and later pulled. My favorite story in recent memory is the ‘Essure’ device, which was only pulled after a pressure campaign by facebook mom groups (you know, the kinds of purveyors of medical misinformation who get censored for antivax misinformation)
A more articulate thing to say on the second point would would be as follows: The US government passed laws to ensure that damages would absolutely never be paid out for a ‘false positive’ vaccine injury, likely at the expense of ‘true positives’ not getting justice, a better approach would be something loose like the paycheck protection program (which was gamed), where the standards for getting a payout for a vaccine injury are low enough that people considering taking the drug are fully confident that if they have medical bills due to side effects, the government will cover them. At present, I believe the opposite, and anecdotally, I know someone who had a heart attack within a week and a half of his shot; his medical bills are in the process of slowly destroying his life.
The presence of socialized medicine in other countries and the us military I think explains part of the higher vax rates in those places. If a socialized health system or the military medical system tells you to take something, it is implied that they have ownership of future medical problems related to it.
The presence of socialized medicine in other countries and the us military I think explains part of the higher vax rates in those places.
Germany has the same number of first vaccination doses as the US does but more people with two or three doses. California has more people who received the first vaccine dose than Germany does. Within the US Alabama has the lowest vaccination rate and is at the same time one of the most conservative states. Vermont is a very blue state and has the highest vaccination rate.
While there will certainly be some people for whom not having access to free healthcare services for vaccine side effects is a major issue but it doesn’t seem to explain the pattern. To me, trust in the establishment seems a more likely explanation.
The FDA never approved thalidomide, so that doesn’t seem like an applicable example?
I’m not sure that I follow the logic here. Are you taking the “safe” condition to mean that we would know exactly when some side effects are due to the vaccine, and when they are just coincidental (so there would never be any arguments over that)?
Strictly speaking, thalidomide was only authorized for some testing in the US and never received full approval, but there were thalidomide babies born in the US. There are plenty of examples of drugs and devices which were approved and later pulled. My favorite story in recent memory is the ‘Essure’ device, which was only pulled after a pressure campaign by facebook mom groups (you know, the kinds of purveyors of medical misinformation who get censored for antivax misinformation)
A more articulate thing to say on the second point would would be as follows: The US government passed laws to ensure that damages would absolutely never be paid out for a ‘false positive’ vaccine injury, likely at the expense of ‘true positives’ not getting justice, a better approach would be something loose like the paycheck protection program (which was gamed), where the standards for getting a payout for a vaccine injury are low enough that people considering taking the drug are fully confident that if they have medical bills due to side effects, the government will cover them. At present, I believe the opposite, and anecdotally, I know someone who had a heart attack within a week and a half of his shot; his medical bills are in the process of slowly destroying his life.
The presence of socialized medicine in other countries and the us military I think explains part of the higher vax rates in those places. If a socialized health system or the military medical system tells you to take something, it is implied that they have ownership of future medical problems related to it.
Germany has the same number of first vaccination doses as the US does but more people with two or three doses. California has more people who received the first vaccine dose than Germany does. Within the US Alabama has the lowest vaccination rate and is at the same time one of the most conservative states. Vermont is a very blue state and has the highest vaccination rate.
While there will certainly be some people for whom not having access to free healthcare services for vaccine side effects is a major issue but it doesn’t seem to explain the pattern. To me, trust in the establishment seems a more likely explanation.