conflict theory with a degrowth/social justice perspective
Yea, I find myself interested in the topics LWers are interested in, but I’m disappointed certain perspectives are missing (despite them being prima facie as well-researched as the perspectives typical on LW). I suspect a bubble effect.
this is unfortunately where my willing suspension of disbelief collapsed
Yup, I suspected that last version would be the hardest to believe for LWers! I plan on writing much more in depth on the topic soon. You might be interested in Guive Assadi’s recent work on this topic (not saying he makes the story more plausible, but he does tease out some key premises/questions for its plausibility).
My only intention here was to layout the comparison that needs making (assuming you’re a consequentialist with very low discount rates etc): what’s the EV of this “once and for all” expansionist solution vs the EV of a “passing the torch” solution? And what level of risk aversion should we be evaluating this with? Neither will last forever or will be perfect. I wouldn’t so quickly dismiss the potentially ~10^5 or ~10^6 year long “passing the torch” solution over the comparatively OOMs lower certainty “once and for all” solution. Especially once I add back in the other cruxes that I couldn’t develop here (though I encourage reading the philosophical literature on it). I want to see a lot more evidence on all sides – and I think others should too.
Thanks for reading!
Yea, I find myself interested in the topics LWers are interested in, but I’m disappointed certain perspectives are missing (despite them being prima facie as well-researched as the perspectives typical on LW). I suspect a bubble effect.
Yup, I suspected that last version would be the hardest to believe for LWers! I plan on writing much more in depth on the topic soon. You might be interested in Guive Assadi’s recent work on this topic (not saying he makes the story more plausible, but he does tease out some key premises/questions for its plausibility).
My only intention here was to layout the comparison that needs making (assuming you’re a consequentialist with very low discount rates etc): what’s the EV of this “once and for all” expansionist solution vs the EV of a “passing the torch” solution? And what level of risk aversion should we be evaluating this with? Neither will last forever or will be perfect. I wouldn’t so quickly dismiss the potentially ~10^5 or ~10^6 year long “passing the torch” solution over the comparatively OOMs lower certainty “once and for all” solution. Especially once I add back in the other cruxes that I couldn’t develop here (though I encourage reading the philosophical literature on it). I want to see a lot more evidence on all sides – and I think others should too.