The morally (and socially) appropriate thing to do at this point would be to apologize and pledge not to use that kind of language on IRC in the future
“The morally (and socially) appropriate thing to do” would be to learn the difference between a chat and a public forum before jumping to hasty conclusions.
“The morally (and socially) appropriate thing to do” would be to learn the difference between a chat and a public forum before jumping to hasty conclusions.
The conclusions drawn, while erroneous, were erroneous for reasons unrelated to the difference between an IRC channel and a public forum. They were not wrong to think that they were being insulted because they were wrong to post logs. Strongly establishing that they made an error in quoting from the channel here does not establish that their issue is groundless.
Conflation of issues like this is exactly why it is normally a faux pas to mention errors by a person unrelated to their complaint when responding to it, and bring them up separately.
Edit: To be more specific about the conflation I’m pointing at… the “hasty conclusions” they came to are not made less plausible by knowing about the “difference between a chat and a public forum”. Knowing that quoting is not socially normal does not make the conclusion “the things said were serious insults and there are unfriendly social norms here” less likely. That lack of knowledge thus does not invalidate the conclusion, or the presence of issues or mistakes leading them to that conclusion.
Edit 2: And to be more specific about why this matters… it’s a claim which doesn’t actually make any sense which is a snappy comeback. It’s not actually a rebuttal to what it’s replying to, because they don’t conflict, seeing as they’re talking about moral/socially correct actions for different people, but it takes the form of one, carrying negative signals about what it replies to which it doesn’t actually justify. It also conveys substantial negative connotations towards the person complaining, and rhetoric running people down isn’t nice. It not making sense is a thing which should be noticed, so it can be deliberately discounted.
“The morally (and socially) appropriate thing to do” would be to learn the difference between a chat and a public forum before jumping to hasty conclusions.
The conclusions drawn, while erroneous, were erroneous for reasons unrelated to the difference between an IRC channel and a public forum. They were not wrong to think that they were being insulted because they were wrong to post logs. Strongly establishing that they made an error in quoting from the channel here does not establish that their issue is groundless.
Conflation of issues like this is exactly why it is normally a faux pas to mention errors by a person unrelated to their complaint when responding to it, and bring them up separately.
Edit: To be more specific about the conflation I’m pointing at… the “hasty conclusions” they came to are not made less plausible by knowing about the “difference between a chat and a public forum”. Knowing that quoting is not socially normal does not make the conclusion “the things said were serious insults and there are unfriendly social norms here” less likely. That lack of knowledge thus does not invalidate the conclusion, or the presence of issues or mistakes leading them to that conclusion.
Edit 2: And to be more specific about why this matters… it’s a claim which doesn’t actually make any sense which is a snappy comeback. It’s not actually a rebuttal to what it’s replying to, because they don’t conflict, seeing as they’re talking about moral/socially correct actions for different people, but it takes the form of one, carrying negative signals about what it replies to which it doesn’t actually justify. It also conveys substantial negative connotations towards the person complaining, and rhetoric running people down isn’t nice. It not making sense is a thing which should be noticed, so it can be deliberately discounted.
Sorry, I don’t understand. Is #lesswrong a private chatroom?
No. IRC supports invite-only channels (and anyone can create one), but #lesswrong is not one.