I have a problem with the seduction community because it openly advocates treating women dishonestly.
Some schools are just as vehement about being absolutely, utterly, bluntly honest. But if you’re a reporter, which parts of the community are you going to write a story about?
I’m going by the way people talk about it here; most hint darkly, and Sirducer who has spoken most openly has explicitly advocated dishonesty. I’m glad to know there’s another side to it—I’d be interested to read more about that, if you have pointers.
I’m glad to know there’s another side to it—I’d be interested to read more about that, if you have pointers.
One example of that would be Johnny Soporno; in particular, his free “Seductive Reasoning” video series. I’ve only watched the first couple of tapes, but those made it pretty clear his philosophy is centered on liberating women from the societal slut/whore dynamic.
I know there are others, I’m just not recalling offhand anything else that’s available for free or that is this explicit (in the sense of being verbally advocated). In some of my other comments, though, I’ve mentioned that there are entire methods based on honest SOI, such as the book “Mode One: Let The Women Know What You’re REALLY Thinking”.
Edit: Soporno’s site also has this interesting article on guys who blame women for their problems.
I don’t like that analogy, anyway. I don’t think any fish would actually want to be caught by you in any circumstance, whether I’d rather women actually would want to have sex with me, as opposed to being ‘baited’ and ‘caught’ by me. (Would want ≅ CEV here; the overwhelming majority of women don’t want sex with me right now (e.g. because they’ve never met me yet) but I guess this doesn’t mean I’ll never be able to have consensual sex with any of them short of unethically manipulating them. I hope that makes sense.)
The amount of sense it makes to me correlates pretty well with how well I understand the boundaries of categories like “unethical manipulation,” “baiting,” “catching,” etc., are.
Unfortunately, I don’t understand the boundaries of those categories very well.
I have a problem with the seduction community because it openly advocates treating women dishonestly.
Some schools are just as vehement about being absolutely, utterly, bluntly honest. But if you’re a reporter, which parts of the community are you going to write a story about?
I’m going by the way people talk about it here; most hint darkly, and Sirducer who has spoken most openly has explicitly advocated dishonesty. I’m glad to know there’s another side to it—I’d be interested to read more about that, if you have pointers.
One example of that would be Johnny Soporno; in particular, his free “Seductive Reasoning” video series. I’ve only watched the first couple of tapes, but those made it pretty clear his philosophy is centered on liberating women from the societal slut/whore dynamic.
I know there are others, I’m just not recalling offhand anything else that’s available for free or that is this explicit (in the sense of being verbally advocated). In some of my other comments, though, I’ve mentioned that there are entire methods based on honest SOI, such as the book “Mode One: Let The Women Know What You’re REALLY Thinking”.
Edit: Soporno’s site also has this interesting article on guys who blame women for their problems.
I don’t like that analogy, anyway. I don’t think any fish would actually want to be caught by you in any circumstance, whether I’d rather women actually would want to have sex with me, as opposed to being ‘baited’ and ‘caught’ by me. (Would want ≅ CEV here; the overwhelming majority of women don’t want sex with me right now (e.g. because they’ve never met me yet) but I guess this doesn’t mean I’ll never be able to have consensual sex with any of them short of unethically manipulating them. I hope that makes sense.)
The amount of sense it makes to me correlates pretty well with how well I understand the boundaries of categories like “unethical manipulation,” “baiting,” “catching,” etc., are.
Unfortunately, I don’t understand the boundaries of those categories very well.
I’m aware of this book: Models: Attract Women Through Honesty.