I am not sure how to even respond to this. I do not know what drives you to hatefully twist my words, depicting my cry for help as some kind of contrived attempt at manipulation, but you are obviously not acting with anything close to an altruistic intent.
Yes, I am entirely serious about this. Far more than you know. Perhaps if you had contacted me to have an intelligent discussion, instead of directly proceeding to accuse me with many critical generalizations, you would have realized that.
I have had several people message me already, and we are currently having civil discussions about potential future scenarios. I am certain they would all attest that they are not being ‘emotionally exploited’, as you seem to think is my goal. I publicly mentioned suicide because genuine consideration of the possibility was the entire point of the post, and I (correctly, for the most part) assumed that this community was mature enough to handle it without any drama.
You clearly have zero experience dealing with suicidal individuals, and would do well to stay away from this discussion. I had a hard enough time working up the courage to make that post, and I really do not want any drama from this. I hope you will do the mature thing and just leave me alone.
The mature way to handle suicidal people is to call professional help, as soon as possible. If the suicidal thinking is caused by some kind of hormonal imbalance—which the person will report as “I have logically concluded that it is better for me to die”, because that is how it feels from inside—you cannot fix the hormonal imbalance by a clever argument; that would be magical thinking. Most likely, you will talk to the person until their hormonal spike passes, then the person will say “uhm, what you said makes a lot of sense, I already feel better, thanks!”, and the next day you will find them hanging from the noose in their room, because another hormonal spike hit them later in the evening, and they “logically concluded” that life actually is meaningless and there is no hope and no reason to delay the inevitable, so they wouldn’t even call you or wait until the morning, because that also would be pointless.
(Been there, failed to do the right thing, lost a friend.)
Sure, this seems like an unfalsifiable hypothesis “you believe it is not caused by hormones because that belief is caused by hormones”. But that’s exactly the reason to seek professional help instead of debating it; to measure your actual level of hormones, and if necessary, to fix it. Body and mind are connected more than most people admit.
That’s all from my side. If you are sincere, I wish you luck. Any meaningful help I could offer is exactly what you refuse, so I have nothing more to add.
The mature way to handle suicidal people is to call professional help, as soon as possible.
It’s worth noting that this creates an incentive to never talk about your problems.
My advice for people who value not being kidnapped and forcibly drugged by unaccountable authority figures who won’t listen to reason is to never voluntarily talk to psychiatrists, for the same reason you should never talk to cops.
It would be great to have a service where you get your blood sample taken and tested anonymously, and then anonymously receive pills to fix the problem. But I guess most suicidal people would (1) refuse to use this service anyway, either because of some principle, or because they would “logically” conclude it is useless and cannot possibly help; and (2) even if a friend would push them to do so, at some moment they would find a reason to stop taking the pills, and when the effect of the pills wears off, conclude “logically” that the life is not worth living.
I am not sure how to even respond to this. I do not know what drives you to hatefully twist my words, depicting my cry for help as some kind of contrived attempt at manipulation, but you are obviously not acting with anything close to an altruistic intent.
Yes, I am entirely serious about this. Far more than you know. Perhaps if you had contacted me to have an intelligent discussion, instead of directly proceeding to accuse me with many critical generalizations, you would have realized that.
I have had several people message me already, and we are currently having civil discussions about potential future scenarios. I am certain they would all attest that they are not being ‘emotionally exploited’, as you seem to think is my goal. I publicly mentioned suicide because genuine consideration of the possibility was the entire point of the post, and I (correctly, for the most part) assumed that this community was mature enough to handle it without any drama.
You clearly have zero experience dealing with suicidal individuals, and would do well to stay away from this discussion. I had a hard enough time working up the courage to make that post, and I really do not want any drama from this. I hope you will do the mature thing and just leave me alone.
The mature way to handle suicidal people is to call professional help, as soon as possible. If the suicidal thinking is caused by some kind of hormonal imbalance—which the person will report as “I have logically concluded that it is better for me to die”, because that is how it feels from inside—you cannot fix the hormonal imbalance by a clever argument; that would be magical thinking. Most likely, you will talk to the person until their hormonal spike passes, then the person will say “uhm, what you said makes a lot of sense, I already feel better, thanks!”, and the next day you will find them hanging from the noose in their room, because another hormonal spike hit them later in the evening, and they “logically concluded” that life actually is meaningless and there is no hope and no reason to delay the inevitable, so they wouldn’t even call you or wait until the morning, because that also would be pointless.
(Been there, failed to do the right thing, lost a friend.)
Sure, this seems like an unfalsifiable hypothesis “you believe it is not caused by hormones because that belief is caused by hormones”. But that’s exactly the reason to seek professional help instead of debating it; to measure your actual level of hormones, and if necessary, to fix it. Body and mind are connected more than most people admit.
That’s all from my side. If you are sincere, I wish you luck. Any meaningful help I could offer is exactly what you refuse, so I have nothing more to add.
It’s worth noting that this creates an incentive to never talk about your problems.
My advice for people who value not being kidnapped and forcibly drugged by unaccountable authority figures who won’t listen to reason is to never voluntarily talk to psychiatrists, for the same reason you should never talk to cops.
It would be great to have a service where you get your blood sample taken and tested anonymously, and then anonymously receive pills to fix the problem. But I guess most suicidal people would (1) refuse to use this service anyway, either because of some principle, or because they would “logically” conclude it is useless and cannot possibly help; and (2) even if a friend would push them to do so, at some moment they would find a reason to stop taking the pills, and when the effect of the pills wears off, conclude “logically” that the life is not worth living.
The more you write, the less sincere you sound.