Jessica: We’re now talking about the sensation of the flavor of the chocolate though. Is this really that different from talking about “that car over there”? I don’t see how some entities can, in a principled way, be classified as objective and some as subjective
Consider the Mary’s room argument. If you know everything objective about a car, you know everything about it. But Mary knows everything objective about your brain without knowing how red looks to you.
Like, in talking about “X” I’m porting something in my mental world-representation into the discursive space
Distinguish cloning and referring:-
When you talk about “how chocolate tastes to Rocko”,you are referring to how chocolate tastes to Rocko, but you are not instantiating his neural patterns in your brain ,so you don’t know how chocolate tastes to him.
Reference is very far from complete knowledge. To use the computer analogy, a reference (pointer,key, handle etc) allows you to access sn object,but doesn’t tell you everything about it—you still have to query it. A reference is generally the minimum amount of information that distinguishes one entity from another.
Jessica: Okay, I agree with this sort of mental/outside-mental distinction, and you can define subjective/objective to mean that.
Or you can use effable/ineffable , or “requires personal instantiation”.
Consider the Mary’s room argument. If you know everything objective about a car, you know everything about it. But Mary knows everything objective about your brain without knowing how red looks to you.
Distinguish cloning and referring:-
When you talk about “how chocolate tastes to Rocko”,you are referring to how chocolate tastes to Rocko, but you are not instantiating his neural patterns in your brain ,so you don’t know how chocolate tastes to him.
Reference is very far from complete knowledge. To use the computer analogy, a reference (pointer,key, handle etc) allows you to access sn object,but doesn’t tell you everything about it—you still have to query it. A reference is generally the minimum amount of information that distinguishes one entity from another.
Or you can use effable/ineffable , or “requires personal instantiation”.