Hiding behind the label “Tell culture”—in this case can also be described as selectively sharing things that forward your interests. Which is what I took it as. Which is wasting your time; Ra’s time; Jim’s time; My time; and anyone else’s time.
Generally orient toward being open and transparent about my activities and motives.
being open about activities is fine; but different to being too loud; and different to polluting the rationality space with too many posts by you.
withhold information that the community mind find useful.
Selective sharing for information that benefits you again. This is not tell culture. Tell culture is private messaging the admin, not publicly slinging accusations like (as I said before: (To be extra clear) you are acting like a child.)
being open about motives is different to being open about activities. The act of saying you are open about motives and then acting as you have here (“I want to note that Azathoth123, the other name for Eugene_Neir previously negatively engaged with Intentional Insights, and that my karma went from 1009 to 838 after VoiceOfRa began criticizing me several days ago.”) and here (“lease note that I did not complain to the admin when this mass downvoting took place. I did not bring this out on the open thread, although I could have.”); really is again an indication of what is trying to be said to you.
Notice also I did not choose to complain about the unedited version of your post, this was something brought up by another Less Wronger below.
This offends me. Are you expecting a medal for it? You successfully did the neutral action. complaining about it again. not progress.
In the interests of:
being open and transparent about my activities
as you said.
I have one single request (as I stated before):
write a list to yourself of “most important things that I have to do today”
Since you are interested in being open about your activities; please posts that list.
To be clear: If you do anything other than the simple task of being open about your activities (by making a list) right here and now you would be betraying your interests by demonstrating that you are not being open about your actions.
I’m not sure that what Gleb wrote is a good example of tell culture. However, karma anomalies (especially negative karma anomalies) is one of the things I need to hear about. I don’t as yet have a strong opinion about whether they should be mentioned publicly or messaged to me, though I’ll note that I’m more likely to see personal messages.
In general, I’ve come to believe that if your mind goes to a single negative motivation for an action you don’t like, you’re probably at least missing some nuance, may just plain be wrong about the motivation, and could be doing some inappropriate obsessing.
To be clear: If you do anything other than the simple task of being open about your activities (by making a list) right here and now you would be betraying your interests by demonstrating that you are not being open about your actions.
I am comprehensively squicked by this, though not at the potential ban level. I’m not sure whether you’ve made an inappropriate demand for rigor, but it does seem like an invented and intrusive standard. You are not in charge of Gleb and you are not in charge of Tell culture.
Actually, by making a list I would be indicating my agreement with your statements. I do not agree with your statements.
You presume to read my mind when you ascribe motivations to me. Please provide evidence when you make claims about me “hiding behind” the label of Tell Culture. What evidence do you have? You already acknowledged you are not a neutral observer, and are interpreting my actions through a negative lens. I encourage you to consider whether it’s possible that you are reading my actions excessively negatively, and try to read my previous statement through a steel man lens. Thanks!
.1. G: Please provide evidence when you make claims about me “hiding behind” the label of Tell Culture.
.2. As I stated in the post above—I explicitly talk about this action when I described you as (“”hiding behind” the label of Tell Culture”):
.3. E: selectively sharing things that forward your interests.
.4. example (stated again):
.5. G: I want to note that Azathoth123, the other name for Eugene_Neir previously negatively engaged with Intentional Insights, and that my karma went from 1009 to 838 after VoiceOfRa began criticizing me several days ago.
.6. G: You presume to read my mind when you ascribe motivations to me.
.7. no, I read your words. When you say:
.8. G: Generally orient toward being open and transparent about my activities and motives.
.9. And now have responded with not being able or willing to:
.10. E: write a list to yourself of “most important things that I have to do today”
.11. G: You already acknowledged
.12. Yes, I directly quoted OscarWilde in his descriptions of “spider-in-a-human-suit”, then on being notified that it was uncalled for, I modified the original post with words to a similar effect. I know exactly what I did, and what I said.
.13. You then said:
.14. G: you are not a neutral observer
.15. yes. As I said (and edited the original post);
.16. E: I agree; it was uncalled for. This war appears to be sucking me into the fray.
.17. You then said:
.18. G: Notice also I did not choose to complain about the unedited version of your post, this was something brought up by another Less Wronger below.
.19. To which I took offence (and outlined in my next post; and again) here:
.20. E: This offends me. Are you expecting a medal for it? You successfully did the neutral action. complaining about it again. not progress.
.21. G: and are interpreting my actions through a negative lens.
.22. I am laying out in this post the nature of my interpretation of everything you have said. This should clear everything up; and has been a monumental waste of time.
.23. G: try to read my previous statement through a steel man lens.
.24. This is offensive and not relevant. you are avoiding doing the thing you said you would do, (“Generally orient toward being open and transparent about my activities and motives.”) by attacking my character.
.25. each point is now numbered so that I and you can quote the number in future responses and stop quoting the same words.
I’m actually not interested in further continuing the discussion, as there is an effort made at reading minds and motivations. I think there’s way too much danger of typical mind fallacy and illusion of transparency from both sides, and I don’t want to make statements that I would later regret. So I’m tapping out.
Hiding behind the label “Tell culture”—in this case can also be described as selectively sharing things that forward your interests. Which is what I took it as. Which is wasting your time; Ra’s time; Jim’s time; My time; and anyone else’s time.
being open about activities is fine; but different to being too loud; and different to polluting the rationality space with too many posts by you.
Selective sharing for information that benefits you again. This is not tell culture. Tell culture is private messaging the admin, not publicly slinging accusations like (as I said before: (To be extra clear) you are acting like a child.)
being open about motives is different to being open about activities. The act of saying you are open about motives and then acting as you have here (“I want to note that Azathoth123, the other name for Eugene_Neir previously negatively engaged with Intentional Insights, and that my karma went from 1009 to 838 after VoiceOfRa began criticizing me several days ago.”) and here (“lease note that I did not complain to the admin when this mass downvoting took place. I did not bring this out on the open thread, although I could have.”); really is again an indication of what is trying to be said to you.
This offends me. Are you expecting a medal for it? You successfully did the neutral action. complaining about it again. not progress.
In the interests of:
as you said.
I have one single request (as I stated before):
Since you are interested in being open about your activities; please posts that list.
To be clear: If you do anything other than the simple task of being open about your activities (by making a list) right here and now you would be betraying your interests by demonstrating that you are not being open about your actions.
I’m not sure that what Gleb wrote is a good example of tell culture. However, karma anomalies (especially negative karma anomalies) is one of the things I need to hear about. I don’t as yet have a strong opinion about whether they should be mentioned publicly or messaged to me, though I’ll note that I’m more likely to see personal messages.
In general, I’ve come to believe that if your mind goes to a single negative motivation for an action you don’t like, you’re probably at least missing some nuance, may just plain be wrong about the motivation, and could be doing some inappropriate obsessing.
I am comprehensively squicked by this, though not at the potential ban level. I’m not sure whether you’ve made an inappropriate demand for rigor, but it does seem like an invented and intrusive standard. You are not in charge of Gleb and you are not in charge of Tell culture.
Actually, by making a list I would be indicating my agreement with your statements. I do not agree with your statements.
You presume to read my mind when you ascribe motivations to me. Please provide evidence when you make claims about me “hiding behind” the label of Tell Culture. What evidence do you have? You already acknowledged you are not a neutral observer, and are interpreting my actions through a negative lens. I encourage you to consider whether it’s possible that you are reading my actions excessively negatively, and try to read my previous statement through a steel man lens. Thanks!
.2. As I stated in the post above—I explicitly talk about this action when I described you as (“”hiding behind” the label of Tell Culture”):
.4. example (stated again):
.7. no, I read your words. When you say:
.9. And now have responded with not being able or willing to:
.12. Yes, I directly quoted OscarWilde in his descriptions of “spider-in-a-human-suit”, then on being notified that it was uncalled for, I modified the original post with words to a similar effect. I know exactly what I did, and what I said.
.13. You then said:
.15. yes. As I said (and edited the original post);
.17. You then said:
.19. To which I took offence (and outlined in my next post; and again) here:
.22. I am laying out in this post the nature of my interpretation of everything you have said. This should clear everything up; and has been a monumental waste of time.
.24. This is offensive and not relevant. you are avoiding doing the thing you said you would do, (“Generally orient toward being open and transparent about my activities and motives.”) by attacking my character.
.25. each point is now numbered so that I and you can quote the number in future responses and stop quoting the same words.
I’m actually not interested in further continuing the discussion, as there is an effort made at reading minds and motivations. I think there’s way too much danger of typical mind fallacy and illusion of transparency from both sides, and I don’t want to make statements that I would later regret. So I’m tapping out.