Never said so, I spoken both of determinism and randomness that it doesn’t imply free will in any case!
I don’t know how you meant this ultimate question exactly! But I wouldn’t frame this ultimate question as equivalent to the free will is illusion question here! If that was the case...
First lets clarify what I mean when I say: “free will is illusion”. I can’t ultimately prove that right? So from pure metaphysical point of view that doesn’t make sense to claim something like that! Or even pose question like that! It is because: I Am coming from empirical, logical point of view based on assumptions about our reality and imperfect knowledge!
And by that I don’t necessarily mean: if free will is illusion then—determinism, or indeterminism is true, or false! Because one could argue for partial free will right? However I completely reject that! Partial free will doesn’t make sense either—because of the Origination Problem! So I don’t give crap necessarily whether or not determinism, or randomness is truth here!
So by illusion I mean it is either purely true, or false. But it is not equivalent to the question: whether ultimate question: “whether everything is purely random, or pre-determined” is illusion!
More about your ultimate question...
We know for example that randomness can generate causal chain of events—this is called “soft determinism”.
Depends how you look at it: as you could say ultimately that chain of events had purely a random cause. Then you could said either:
everything is ultimately random as ultimate cause of everything is random
or something is random and something is pre-determined by that initial random cause
So if I take your ultimate question from the same standpoint of empiricism and logic and ask whether or not that question itself is illusion. Does that make sense that this question would be illusion? Because we don’t know that simply, we have no idea from this point of view! As we don’t from most fundamental metaphysical point of view. So claiming, or even thinking that this question would be a illusion doesn’t make sense here! As we have no way of knowing in any case!
But on the other hand: from limited empirical point of view we know free will is illusion! Because of the Origination Problem, it can’t be true, therefore it is false! Also from empirical point of view, there is no evidence for partial free will. So it is either purely true, or false question!
So these are separate and incomparable questions!
I would like to know either: if “non-determinism is real what exactly is that”? Because we have no way of knowing beyond singularity currently!
Never said so, I spoken both of determinism and randomness that it doesn’t imply free will in any case!
I don’t know how you meant this ultimate question exactly! But I wouldn’t frame this ultimate question as equivalent to the free will is illusion question here! If that was the case...
First lets clarify what I mean when I say: “free will is illusion”. I can’t ultimately prove that right? So from pure metaphysical point of view that doesn’t make sense to claim something like that! Or even pose question like that! It is because: I Am coming from empirical, logical point of view based on assumptions about our reality and imperfect knowledge!
And by that I don’t necessarily mean: if free will is illusion then—determinism, or indeterminism is true, or false! Because one could argue for partial free will right? However I completely reject that! Partial free will doesn’t make sense either—because of the Origination Problem! So I don’t give crap necessarily whether or not determinism, or randomness is truth here!
So by illusion I mean it is either purely true, or false. But it is not equivalent to the question: whether ultimate question: “whether everything is purely random, or pre-determined” is illusion!
More about your ultimate question...
We know for example that randomness can generate causal chain of events—this is called “soft determinism”.
Depends how you look at it: as you could say ultimately that chain of events had purely a random cause. Then you could said either:
everything is ultimately random as ultimate cause of everything is random
or something is random and something is pre-determined by that initial random cause
So if I take your ultimate question from the same standpoint of empiricism and logic and ask whether or not that question itself is illusion. Does that make sense that this question would be illusion? Because we don’t know that simply, we have no idea from this point of view! As we don’t from most fundamental metaphysical point of view. So claiming, or even thinking that this question would be a illusion doesn’t make sense here! As we have no way of knowing in any case!
But on the other hand: from limited empirical point of view we know free will is illusion! Because of the Origination Problem, it can’t be true, therefore it is false! Also from empirical point of view, there is no evidence for partial free will. So it is either purely true, or false question!
So these are separate and incomparable questions!
I would like to know either: if “non-determinism is real what exactly is that”? Because we have no way of knowing beyond singularity currently!