However, the genome can encode an initial crappy face detector.
It’s not that crappy given that newborns can not only recognize faces with significant accuracy, but also recognize facial expressions.
The cortical map will grow a good face/person model/detector on it’s own, and then after this model is ready certain hormones in adolescence activate innate routines that learn where the face/person model patch is and help other modules plug into it.
Having two separate face recognition modules, one genetically specified and another learned seems redundant, and still it’s not obvious to me how a genetically-specified sexual attraction program could find how to plug into a completely learned system, which would necessarily have some degree of randomness.
It seems more likely that there is a single face recognition module which is genetically specified and then it becomes fine tuned by learning.
I highly doubt that—but it all depends on what your sampling class for ‘human’ is. An average human drawn from the roughly 10 billion alive today? Or an average human drawn from the roughly 100 billion who have ever lived? (most of which would have no idea what a parity function is).
Show a neolithic human a bunch of pebbles, some black and some white, laid out in a line. Ask them to add a black or white pebble to the line, and reward them if the number of black pebbles is even. Repeat multiple times.
Even without a concept of “even number”, wouldn’t this neolithic human be able to figure out an algorithm to compute the right answer? They just need to scan the line, flipping a mental switch for each black pebble they encounter, and then add a black pebble if and only if the switch is not in the initial position.
Maybe I’m overgeneralizing, but it seems unlikely to me that people able to invent complex hunting strategies, to build weapons, tools, traps, clothing, huts, to participate in tribe politics, etc. wouldn’t be able to figure something like that.
It’s not that crappy given that newborns can not only recognize faces with significant accuracy, but also recognize facial expressions.
Do you have a link to that? ‘Newborn’ can mean many things—the visual system starts learning from the second the eyes open, and perhaps even before that through pattern generators projected onto the retina which help to ‘pretrain’ the viscortex.
I know that infants have initial face detectors from the second they open their eyes, but from what I remember reading—they are pretty crappy indeed, and initially can’t tell a human face apart from a simple cartoon with 3 blobs for eyes and mouth.
It seems more likely that there is a single face recognition module which is genetically specified and then it becomes fine tuned by learning.
Except that it isn’t that simple, because—amongst other evidence—congenitally blind people still learn a model and recognizer for attractive people, and can discern someone’s relative beauty by scanning faces with their fingertips.
Even without a concept of “even number”, wouldn’t this neolithic human be able to figure out an algorithm to compute the right answer?
Not sure—we are getting into hypothetical scenarios here. Your visual version, with black and white pebbles laid out in a line, implicitly helps simplify the problem and may guide the priors in the right way. I am reasonably sure that this setup would also help any brain-like AGI.
Even without a concept of “even number”, wouldn’t this neolithic human be able to figure out an algorithm to compute the right answer? They just need to scan the line, flipping a mental switch for each black pebble they encounter, and then add a black pebble if and only if the switch is not in the initial position.
If I understand correctly, in the post you linked Scott is saying that Haitians are functionally innumerate, which should explain the difficulties with numerical sorting.
My point is that the partity function should be learnable even without basic numeracy, although I admit that perhaps I’m overgeneralizing.
Anyway, modern machine learning systems can learn to perform basic arithmentic such as addition and subtraction, and I think even sorting (since they are used for preordering for statstical machine translation), hence the problem doesn’t seem to be a lack of arithmetic knowledge or skill.
Note that both addition and subtraction have constant circuit depth (they are in AC0) while parity has logarithmic circuit depth.
It’s not that crappy given that newborns can not only recognize faces with significant accuracy, but also recognize facial expressions.
Having two separate face recognition modules, one genetically specified and another learned seems redundant, and still it’s not obvious to me how a genetically-specified sexual attraction program could find how to plug into a completely learned system, which would necessarily have some degree of randomness.
It seems more likely that there is a single face recognition module which is genetically specified and then it becomes fine tuned by learning.
Show a neolithic human a bunch of pebbles, some black and some white, laid out in a line. Ask them to add a black or white pebble to the line, and reward them if the number of black pebbles is even. Repeat multiple times.
Even without a concept of “even number”, wouldn’t this neolithic human be able to figure out an algorithm to compute the right answer? They just need to scan the line, flipping a mental switch for each black pebble they encounter, and then add a black pebble if and only if the switch is not in the initial position.
Maybe I’m overgeneralizing, but it seems unlikely to me that people able to invent complex hunting strategies, to build weapons, tools, traps, clothing, huts, to participate in tribe politics, etc. wouldn’t be able to figure something like that.
Do you have a link to that? ‘Newborn’ can mean many things—the visual system starts learning from the second the eyes open, and perhaps even before that through pattern generators projected onto the retina which help to ‘pretrain’ the viscortex.
I know that infants have initial face detectors from the second they open their eyes, but from what I remember reading—they are pretty crappy indeed, and initially can’t tell a human face apart from a simple cartoon with 3 blobs for eyes and mouth.
Except that it isn’t that simple, because—amongst other evidence—congenitally blind people still learn a model and recognizer for attractive people, and can discern someone’s relative beauty by scanning faces with their fingertips.
Not sure—we are getting into hypothetical scenarios here. Your visual version, with black and white pebbles laid out in a line, implicitly helps simplify the problem and may guide the priors in the right way. I am reasonably sure that this setup would also help any brain-like AGI.
Well, given how hard it is for Haitians to understand numerical sorting...
If I understand correctly, in the post you linked Scott is saying that Haitians are functionally innumerate, which should explain the difficulties with numerical sorting.
My point is that the partity function should be learnable even without basic numeracy, although I admit that perhaps I’m overgeneralizing.
Anyway, modern machine learning systems can learn to perform basic arithmentic such as addition and subtraction, and I think even sorting (since they are used for preordering for statstical machine translation), hence the problem doesn’t seem to be a lack of arithmetic knowledge or skill.
Note that both addition and subtraction have constant circuit depth (they are in AC0) while parity has logarithmic circuit depth.