having no memories of being on the wrong side does not make this any more pleasant an experience to go through, nor does it provide any reassurance against being the replica (presuming that’s the one which is killed
It provides no real reassurance, but it would make it a more pleasant experience to go through. The effect of having observed the coin landing heads many times and never tails, is going to make it instinctively easy to let go of your fear of tails.
Um okay, wouldn’t they have maybe thought about this after 15 years of training and decades of practice in the field?
Possibly! I’m not sure how realistic that part is, to come to that realization while the thing is happening instead of long before, but it was kind of needed for the story. It’s at least conceivable that the academic culture of the consenters was always a bit inadequate, maybe Nai had heard murmurings about this before, then the murmurer quietly left the industry and the Nais didn’t take it seriously until they were living it.
I don’t think we’ve established sufficiently that the 3 minds 1 brain thing are actually 3 minds
The odds don’t have to be as high as 3:1 for the decision to come out the same way.
Holy shit this society is dystopic.
The horrors of collectively acknowledging that the accessible universe’s resources are finite and that growth must be governed in order to prevent malthus from coming back? Or is it more about the beurocracy of it, yeah, you’d really hope they’d be able to make exceptions for situations like this, hahaha (but, lacking an AGI singleton, my odds for society still having legal systems with this degree of rigidity are honestly genuinely pretty high, like yeah, uh, human societies are bad, it’s always been bad, it is bad right now, it feels normal if you live under it, you Respect The History and imagine it couldn’t be any other way)
Wouldn’t this be an abdication of responsibility as mentioned in the prev paragraph?
An abdication of the expectations of an employer, much less than an abdication of the law. Transfers to other substrates with the destruction of the original copy are legal, probably even commonplace in many communities.
I think this section is really confusing. They’re talking about killing the original, which the chamber is not set up to do, but they have an idea as to how to do it. The replica is just a brain, they will only experience impaling their brain with a rod and it wouldn’t actually happen. They would be sitting there with their brain leaking out while somehow still conscious.
omit “act of”, sorta redundant.
Praxis consists of many actions, the reaction was very much towards this specific act, this is when people noticed.
If that was the case then it would have been an issue going smaller and smaller to begin with, right?
They only started saying things like this after the event. Beforehand it would have been very easy to deny that there was an issue. Those with smaller brains had the same size bodies as everyone else, just as much political power, exactly the same behaviours.
She’s only done this 4 times now?
The other names are from different aspects of life. Some given by parents, some taken on as part of coming of age. Normally a person wouldn’t take on names from executing a mirror chamber, in this case it was because it was such a significant event and a lot of people came to know Nai as Paper from the mirror chamber transcript.
looks like partial mind reading or something
It’s because a lot of their macrostate is still in sync. This is a common experience in mirror chambers, so they don’t remark on it.
It certainly is about measures.
Well that sounds interesting. Measure theory is probably going to be crucial for getting firm answers to a lot of the questions I’ve come to feel responsible for. Not just anthropics, there’s some simulist multiverse stuff as well..
I don’t think this is rational FYI
How so?
I should probably mention, if I were just shoved into that situation… We probably wouldn’t kill the original. I wouldn’t especially care about having reduced measure or existing less, because I consider myself a steward of the eschaton rather than a creature of it, if anything, my anthropic measure should be decreased as much as possible so that the painful path of meaning and service that I have chosen has less of an impact on the beauty of the sum work. Does that make sense? If not never mind it’s not so important.
I’m going to need to find a way to justify making Paper and Scissors less ingroupy in the way they talk to each other, the premise that we would be able to eavesdrop a conversation between a philosopher and a copy of that philosopher and understand what they were on about is kind of not plausible and it comes through here. Maybe I should just not report the contents of the conversation, or turn that up to an extreme, have everything they say be comically terse and idiolectic, then explain it after the fact. Actually yes I think that would be great. Intimacy giving rise to ideolect needs to be depicted more.
It provides no real reassurance, but it would make it a more pleasant experience to go through. The effect of having observed the coin landing heads many times and never tails, is going to make it instinctively easy to let go of your fear of tails.
Possibly! I’m not sure how realistic that part is, to come to that realization while the thing is happening instead of long before, but it was kind of needed for the story. It’s at least conceivable that the academic culture of the consenters was always a bit inadequate, maybe Nai had heard murmurings about this before, then the murmurer quietly left the industry and the Nais didn’t take it seriously until they were living it.
The odds don’t have to be as high as 3:1 for the decision to come out the same way.
The horrors of collectively acknowledging that the accessible universe’s resources are finite and that growth must be governed in order to prevent malthus from coming back? Or is it more about the beurocracy of it, yeah, you’d really hope they’d be able to make exceptions for situations like this, hahaha (but, lacking an AGI singleton, my odds for society still having legal systems with this degree of rigidity are honestly genuinely pretty high, like yeah, uh, human societies are bad, it’s always been bad, it is bad right now, it feels normal if you live under it, you Respect The History and imagine it couldn’t be any other way)
An abdication of the expectations of an employer, much less than an abdication of the law. Transfers to other substrates with the destruction of the original copy are legal, probably even commonplace in many communities.
I think this section is really confusing. They’re talking about killing the original, which the chamber is not set up to do, but they have an idea as to how to do it. The replica is just a brain, they will only experience impaling their brain with a rod and it wouldn’t actually happen. They would be sitting there with their brain leaking out while somehow still conscious.
Praxis consists of many actions, the reaction was very much towards this specific act, this is when people noticed.
They only started saying things like this after the event. Beforehand it would have been very easy to deny that there was an issue. Those with smaller brains had the same size bodies as everyone else, just as much political power, exactly the same behaviours.
The other names are from different aspects of life. Some given by parents, some taken on as part of coming of age. Normally a person wouldn’t take on names from executing a mirror chamber, in this case it was because it was such a significant event and a lot of people came to know Nai as Paper from the mirror chamber transcript.
It’s because a lot of their macrostate is still in sync. This is a common experience in mirror chambers, so they don’t remark on it.
It certainly is about measures.
Well that sounds interesting. Measure theory is probably going to be crucial for getting firm answers to a lot of the questions I’ve come to feel responsible for. Not just anthropics, there’s some simulist multiverse stuff as well..
How so?
I should probably mention, if I were just shoved into that situation… We probably wouldn’t kill the original. I wouldn’t especially care about having reduced measure or existing less, because I consider myself a steward of the eschaton rather than a creature of it, if anything, my anthropic measure should be decreased as much as possible so that the painful path of meaning and service that I have chosen has less of an impact on the beauty of the sum work. Does that make sense? If not never mind it’s not so important.
I’m going to need to find a way to justify making Paper and Scissors less ingroupy in the way they talk to each other, the premise that we would be able to eavesdrop a conversation between a philosopher and a copy of that philosopher and understand what they were on about is kind of not plausible and it comes through here. Maybe I should just not report the contents of the conversation, or turn that up to an extreme, have everything they say be comically terse and idiolectic, then explain it after the fact. Actually yes I think that would be great. Intimacy giving rise to ideolect needs to be depicted more.