My idea that to the best of my knowledge is my own, is that Harry could use the time turner to go back in time, and get Quirrel/Snape/Dumbledore to false memory charm a student to provide crucial testimony clearing Hermoine and proving a plot. Another part that would help would be to present the wands as evidence (not original to me) but to also steal the wands of Draco and Hermoine out of custody using the cloak and tamper with them to remove any evidence if hat and cloak tampered with them.
I’ll expand on this with a post attached to my main one since I’ve discovered that some people don’t like long walls of texts, so if you come up with some reason why this wouldn’t work check that post first please.
“The boy smiled, now with a touch of coldness again. “Okay, I’ll figure out some way to set it up so that it looks like Lord Jugson betrayed his own side.” ”
I think that the optimal thing for Harry to do would be to plant fake evidence showing that Lord Jugson was the one whom plotted against Draco. The motivation would be a combination of Lucius ‘betraying’ the death eaters and a desire to see his house rise in power over House Malfoy. All he would have to do would be to go back in time an hour, steal the wands of Draco, Hermoine and Jugson, and go back in time farther with that done.
Then he just has to get Snape/Quirrel/Dumbledore to false memory charm a student into remembering seeing Lord Jugson leaving or entering the Trophy room at midnight. After that you just tamper with the wands, cast the right spells using Lord Jugson’s wand, then sneak back into the Wizengamot and replace the wands a second after you first stole them.
Stealing a powerful wizard’s wand, even if you yourself are invisible, isn’t a small feat.
Harry has no way to reach Quirrel on his own. He doesn’t even know where Draco or Snape are, and can’t reach them either. He also can’t bring in another student.
Dumbledore can’t help him now (people would notice if he stepped out for a few seconds), so he’d have to rely on him going back in time later to help him—Harry can’t manipulate the wands himself, let alone false memory charm someone. This has the usual problems of relying on something already being modified by future travel back in time, without actually observing it.
Harry can’t know if Jugson has an alibi for that time.
Fair points, it would be very impressive if he could pull it all off, but I think Dark Harry could manage to do it with some luck.
*For the wand I was thinking of something like pulling it out and then pushing someone into Lord Jugson and dropping it at his feet. He could properly time it so that 1st harry pulls it out and runs then 2cd harry immediately pushes either Jugson or someone into Jugson and drops the wand at his feet. Even if Jugson suspects something what can he prove?
*If Quirrel had returned to the School already Harry would know, if he is still in interrogation it says specifically that Quirrel is in the magical law department, which is in the ministry which is in the Wizengamot. It wouldn’t be hard for Harry to know/learn thats where Quirrel was. He would just have to find his way there. Snape is presumably back in Hogwarts as a teacher. He would just have to take the Floo network back to Hogwarts. He doesn’t have to take another student he is just has to make sure they show up on time.
*Dumbledore doesn’t have to do it, Harry could get Snape or Quirrel to do it. Probably conspicuously absent Quirrel.
*Jugson could easily have an alibi but its hard to prove he didn’t just false memory charm the people for the alibi too.
Hasn’t Draco been with Lucius for the past hour? It would be one thing to steal the wand of a generic death eater, another entirely to steal a wand from under the nose of the head of the majority of the Wizengamot. Lucius seems to be well versed in the art of plotting and counter plotting, and getting Draco’s wand from him and back to him without Lord Malfoy knowing with, at a maximum, five hours of planning, would be an extremely challenging feat even for Dark Harry. Still, I don’t think that it is impossible.
To respond to Xachariah in my previous post summed up by “Enough people in the wizengamot would know about time travel that would be able to counter any time travel, or recognize it and have safeguards built in against tampering that way”
This IS the universe where they don’t use dying people to cast unbreakable oath spells, play Quidditch, and are sentencing a 12 year old girl to death in Azkhbahn after a 24 hour investigation (yes yes ten years but that would kill her all the time) If you look at all the possible worlds in regards to policies and safeguards regarding time turners worlds where Harry would be able to get away with this would have much higher probability density.
My idea that to the best of my knowledge is my own, is that Harry could use the time turner to go back in time, and get Quirrel/Snape/Dumbledore to false memory charm a student to provide crucial testimony clearing Hermoine and proving a plot. Another part that would help would be to present the wands as evidence (not original to me) but to also steal the wands of Draco and Hermoine out of custody using the cloak and tamper with them to remove any evidence if hat and cloak tampered with them.
I’ll expand on this with a post attached to my main one since I’ve discovered that some people don’t like long walls of texts, so if you come up with some reason why this wouldn’t work check that post first please.
“The boy smiled, now with a touch of coldness again. “Okay, I’ll figure out some way to set it up so that it looks like Lord Jugson betrayed his own side.” ”
I think that the optimal thing for Harry to do would be to plant fake evidence showing that Lord Jugson was the one whom plotted against Draco. The motivation would be a combination of Lucius ‘betraying’ the death eaters and a desire to see his house rise in power over House Malfoy. All he would have to do would be to go back in time an hour, steal the wands of Draco, Hermoine and Jugson, and go back in time farther with that done.
Then he just has to get Snape/Quirrel/Dumbledore to false memory charm a student into remembering seeing Lord Jugson leaving or entering the Trophy room at midnight. After that you just tamper with the wands, cast the right spells using Lord Jugson’s wand, then sneak back into the Wizengamot and replace the wands a second after you first stole them.
Stealing a powerful wizard’s wand, even if you yourself are invisible, isn’t a small feat.
Harry has no way to reach Quirrel on his own. He doesn’t even know where Draco or Snape are, and can’t reach them either. He also can’t bring in another student.
Dumbledore can’t help him now (people would notice if he stepped out for a few seconds), so he’d have to rely on him going back in time later to help him—Harry can’t manipulate the wands himself, let alone false memory charm someone. This has the usual problems of relying on something already being modified by future travel back in time, without actually observing it.
Harry can’t know if Jugson has an alibi for that time.
Fair points, it would be very impressive if he could pull it all off, but I think Dark Harry could manage to do it with some luck.
*For the wand I was thinking of something like pulling it out and then pushing someone into Lord Jugson and dropping it at his feet. He could properly time it so that 1st harry pulls it out and runs then 2cd harry immediately pushes either Jugson or someone into Jugson and drops the wand at his feet. Even if Jugson suspects something what can he prove?
*If Quirrel had returned to the School already Harry would know, if he is still in interrogation it says specifically that Quirrel is in the magical law department, which is in the ministry which is in the Wizengamot. It wouldn’t be hard for Harry to know/learn thats where Quirrel was. He would just have to find his way there. Snape is presumably back in Hogwarts as a teacher. He would just have to take the Floo network back to Hogwarts. He doesn’t have to take another student he is just has to make sure they show up on time.
*Dumbledore doesn’t have to do it, Harry could get Snape or Quirrel to do it. Probably conspicuously absent Quirrel.
*Jugson could easily have an alibi but its hard to prove he didn’t just false memory charm the people for the alibi too.
Hasn’t Draco been with Lucius for the past hour? It would be one thing to steal the wand of a generic death eater, another entirely to steal a wand from under the nose of the head of the majority of the Wizengamot. Lucius seems to be well versed in the art of plotting and counter plotting, and getting Draco’s wand from him and back to him without Lord Malfoy knowing with, at a maximum, five hours of planning, would be an extremely challenging feat even for Dark Harry. Still, I don’t think that it is impossible.
I think Dracos been in St. Mungos actually.
To respond to Xachariah in my previous post summed up by “Enough people in the wizengamot would know about time travel that would be able to counter any time travel, or recognize it and have safeguards built in against tampering that way” This IS the universe where they don’t use dying people to cast unbreakable oath spells, play Quidditch, and are sentencing a 12 year old girl to death in Azkhbahn after a 24 hour investigation (yes yes ten years but that would kill her all the time) If you look at all the possible worlds in regards to policies and safeguards regarding time turners worlds where Harry would be able to get away with this would have much higher probability density.