Meanwhile, we are actual evolved mammals, and the reason we think what we do about morality is because of evolution, culture, and chance, in that order. I’m not sure what the point is of calling this objective or not, but it definitely has reasons for being how it is.
It seems like you were looking for things with “intrinsic properties” and “objective”-ness that we don’t much care about..
I was making a comment on the specific points of dogiv but the discussion is about trying to discover if morality 1) has an objective basis or is completely relative and 2) it has a rational/computational basis or not. Is it that you don’t care about approaching truth on this matter, or that you believe you already know the answer?
In any case my main point is that Jordan Peterson’s perspective is (in my opinion) the most rational, cohesive and supported by evidence available and would love to see the community taking the time to study it, understand it and try to dispute it properly.
Nevertheless, I know not everyone has the time for that so If you expand on your perspective on this ‘abstract structure’ and its basis we can debate :)
I was making a comment on the specific points of dogiv but the discussion is about trying to discover if morality 1) has an objective basis or is completely relative and 2) it has a rational/computational basis or not. Is it that you don’t care about approaching truth on this matter, or that you believe you already know the answer?
In any case my main point is that Jordan Peterson’s perspective is (in my opinion) the most rational, cohesive and supported by evidence available and would love to see the community taking the time to study it, understand it and try to dispute it properly.
Nevertheless, I know not everyone has the time for that so If you expand on your perspective on this ‘abstract structure’ and its basis we can debate :)