“Oh, look, LW is encouraging people to commit suicide and donate the money to them.”
Well, are you?
idiots repeatedly make up crap about how SIAI’s ideas should encourage violence against AI researchers, even though none of us have ever raised it even as a hypothetical,
True, but you have said things that seem to imply it. Seriously, you can’t go around saying “X” and “X->Y” and then object when people start attributing position “Y” to you.
No. To prove this, I shall shortly delete the post advocating it.
True, but you have said things that seem to imply it. Seriously, you can’t go around saying “X” and “X->Y” and then object when people start attributing position “Y” to you.
Point one: We never said X->Y. We said X, and a bunch of people too stupid to understand the fallacy of appeal to consequences said ‘X->violence, look what those bad people advocate’ as an attempted counterargument. Since no actual good can possibly come of discussing this on any set of assumptions, it would be nice to have the counter-counterargument, “Unlike this bad person here, we have a policy of deleting posts which claim Q->specific-violence even if the post claims not to believe in Q because the identifiable target would have a reasonable complaint of being threatened”.
it would be nice to have the counter-counterargument, “Unlike this bad person here, we have a policy of deleting posts which claim Q->specific-violence even if the post claims not to believe in Q because the identifiable target would have a reasonable complaint of being threatened”.
I would find this counter-counter-argument extremely uncompelling if made by an opponent. Suppose you read someone’s blog who made statements which could be interpreted as vaguely anti-Semitic, but it could go either way. Now suppose someone in the comments of that blog post replied by saying “Yeah, you’re totally right, we should kill all the Jews!”.
Which type of response from the blog owner do you think would be more likely to convince you that he was not actually an anti-Semite: 1) deleting the comment, covering up its existence, and never speaking of it, or 2) Leaving the comment in place, and refuting it—carefully laying out why the commenter is wrong.
I know that I for one would find the latter response much more convincing of the author’s benign intent.
Note: in order to post this comment, despite it being, IMHO entirely on-point and important to the conversation, I had to take a 5 point karma hit.… due to the LAST poorly thought out, dictatorially imposed, consensus-defying policy change.
Which type of response from the blog owner do you think would be more likely to convince you that he was not actually an anti-Semite: 1) deleting the comment, covering up its existence, and never speaking of it, or 2) Leaving the comment in place, and refuting it—carefully laying out why the commenter is wrong.
If someone really wants to get some cheap internet points for accusing the author of antisemitism, either option can be used. In both cases, the fact that the comment was written on the blog would be interpreted as an evidence for blog somehow evoking this kind of comment. Both deleting and refuting would be interpreted like “the author pretends to disagree, for obvious PR reasons, but he cannot fool us”.
The advantage of deleting the comment is that a potential accuser has smaller chance to notice it (well, unless some readers make “why did this specific comment disappear?” their topic of the month), and they cannot support their attacks with hyperlinks and screenshots. Also, if someone puts specific keywords in Google, they will not get that blog among results.
Well, are you?
True, but you have said things that seem to imply it. Seriously, you can’t go around saying “X” and “X->Y” and then object when people start attributing position “Y” to you.
No. To prove this, I shall shortly delete the post advocating it.
Point one: We never said X->Y. We said X, and a bunch of people too stupid to understand the fallacy of appeal to consequences said ‘X->violence, look what those bad people advocate’ as an attempted counterargument. Since no actual good can possibly come of discussing this on any set of assumptions, it would be nice to have the counter-counterargument, “Unlike this bad person here, we have a policy of deleting posts which claim Q->specific-violence even if the post claims not to believe in Q because the identifiable target would have a reasonable complaint of being threatened”.
I would find this counter-counter-argument extremely uncompelling if made by an opponent. Suppose you read someone’s blog who made statements which could be interpreted as vaguely anti-Semitic, but it could go either way. Now suppose someone in the comments of that blog post replied by saying “Yeah, you’re totally right, we should kill all the Jews!”.
Which type of response from the blog owner do you think would be more likely to convince you that he was not actually an anti-Semite: 1) deleting the comment, covering up its existence, and never speaking of it, or 2) Leaving the comment in place, and refuting it—carefully laying out why the commenter is wrong.
I know that I for one would find the latter response much more convincing of the author’s benign intent.
Note: in order to post this comment, despite it being, IMHO entirely on-point and important to the conversation, I had to take a 5 point karma hit.… due to the LAST poorly thought out, dictatorially imposed, consensus-defying policy change.
If someone really wants to get some cheap internet points for accusing the author of antisemitism, either option can be used. In both cases, the fact that the comment was written on the blog would be interpreted as an evidence for blog somehow evoking this kind of comment. Both deleting and refuting would be interpreted like “the author pretends to disagree, for obvious PR reasons, but he cannot fool us”.
The advantage of deleting the comment is that a potential accuser has smaller chance to notice it (well, unless some readers make “why did this specific comment disappear?” their topic of the month), and they cannot support their attacks with hyperlinks and screenshots. Also, if someone puts specific keywords in Google, they will not get that blog among results.