The question is more about celebrity and social media having the ability to get people elected regardless of that person’s actual credentials to be the CEO of America.
First point: a president is not a CEO. The distinction matters.
Second point: the electorate does not care about “actual credentials” and has not been caring for many decades by now. I’m not sure what credentials would those be, anyway.
Third point: social media has NOT demonstrated its ability to elect a president. Trump was not elected on the strength of his social media game.
Ronald Reagan was a shitty actor before his gov’t career; Arnold Schwarzenegger was the same; Jesse Ventura was a wrestler/actor.
So draw the conclusion: your success as an actor/celebrity/etc. is not really relevant to your chances at getting elected to a political office. Being a celebrity is useful, but it’s about as useful as, say, being tall.
whereby a celebrity uses their profile and name recognition as the overwhelming means for getting elected
Citation needed. I do not think this is the case with Trump.
a thing had been considered virtually impossible according to most credible experts
So draw the conclusion: these were not experts and their words are not credible.
And also because he wears suits, I presume?
Nah. Hillary was famous for her pantsuits. Didn’t help :-P
Second point: the electorate does not care about “actual credentials” and has not been caring for many decades by now. I’m not sure what credentials would those be, anyway.
Well, you suggested having manager skills...
But we seem to agree that skills relevant to doing the job of POTUS aren’t necessarily of primary importance in regard to being elected. Is this an accurate statement of your view?
Third point: social media has NOT demonstrated its ability to elect a president. Trump was not elected on the strength of his social media game.
It seems to be fairly non-controversial that Trump employed social media effectively and this helped him win… Can you elaborate on what you mean?
Being a celebrity is useful, but it’s about as useful as, say, being tall.
This seems obviously false for lots of reasons and I assume you’re kidding.
Citation needed. I do not think this is the case with Trump.
Admittedly tough to quantify.
these were not experts and their words are not credible.
Or, they were basing their predictions on outdated maps of the territory.
Manager skills are like instrumental rationality: they are not a signal to the electorare, they are for you to achieve what you want to achieve.
skills relevant to doing the job of POTUS aren’t necessarily of primary importance in regard to being elected
Yes, that is an accurate statement of my view.
By the way, I think you lack proper appreciation for point one :-)
Trump employed social media effectively and this helped him win
Trump also employed his money effectively and this helped him win. Trump also employed his campaign staff effectively and this helped him win. Trump also employed public statements effectively and this helped him win. Trump also...
This seems obviously false for lots of reasons
Surely you will be able to produce tons and tons of evidence in support of your position, then.
they were basing their predictions on outdated maps of the territory
Still not experts :-D Maybe experts-at-looking-in-the-rearview-mirror but those don’t seem to be terribly useful.
I dunno :-) I still like Captain Jack Sparrow best.
If I can’t have him, I’ll take Rocket Raccoon. He can deal with the Middle East and Captain Jack Sparrow can be appointed to be the US representative in the trade negotiations with China.
You know what the greatest strength of the American democracy is? Anyone can become President :-P
Jack understands the game-theoretic implications of negotiating with someone slightly insane very well. Probably better than a Chinese civil-service mandarin whose experience with slightly insane people is, I suspect, limited.
As to Rocket, well… I think his typical approach would be just right for the Middle East.
First point: a president is not a CEO. The distinction matters.
Second point: the electorate does not care about “actual credentials” and has not been caring for many decades by now. I’m not sure what credentials would those be, anyway.
Third point: social media has NOT demonstrated its ability to elect a president. Trump was not elected on the strength of his social media game.
So draw the conclusion: your success as an actor/celebrity/etc. is not really relevant to your chances at getting elected to a political office. Being a celebrity is useful, but it’s about as useful as, say, being tall.
Citation needed. I do not think this is the case with Trump.
So draw the conclusion: these were not experts and their words are not credible.
Nah. Hillary was famous for her pantsuits. Didn’t help :-P
Well, you suggested having manager skills...
But we seem to agree that skills relevant to doing the job of POTUS aren’t necessarily of primary importance in regard to being elected. Is this an accurate statement of your view?
It seems to be fairly non-controversial that Trump employed social media effectively and this helped him win… Can you elaborate on what you mean?
This seems obviously false for lots of reasons and I assume you’re kidding.
Admittedly tough to quantify.
Or, they were basing their predictions on outdated maps of the territory.
Manager skills are like instrumental rationality: they are not a signal to the electorare, they are for you to achieve what you want to achieve.
Yes, that is an accurate statement of my view.
By the way, I think you lack proper appreciation for point one :-)
Trump also employed his money effectively and this helped him win. Trump also employed his campaign staff effectively and this helped him win. Trump also employed public statements effectively and this helped him win. Trump also...
Surely you will be able to produce tons and tons of evidence in support of your position, then.
Still not experts :-D Maybe experts-at-looking-in-the-rearview-mirror but those don’t seem to be terribly useful.
I think you got hung up on the name Beyonce. Don’t.
Agreed. :)
LOL
Are my alternatives Ellen Degeneres and Justin Timberlake? X-D No Bieber? Are you sure you don’t want Lena Dunham to run as the Democratic candidate?
I understand Beyonce has advantages, though...
He is neither a US citizen nor at least 35 years old. :-)
Curses, foiled again!
He can age.
He won’t be 35 until 2029, and even then there’s the whole “not a US citizen at birth” thing.
How about Tom Hanks? Oprah? Mark Zuckerberg? George Clooney?
I dunno :-) I still like Captain Jack Sparrow best.
If I can’t have him, I’ll take Rocket Raccoon. He can deal with the Middle East and Captain Jack Sparrow can be appointed to be the US representative in the trade negotiations with China.
You know what the greatest strength of the American democracy is? Anyone can become President :-P
I don’t get it.
Democracy allows anyone, even a simpleton from humble background, be elected leader.
Democracy allows anyone, even a simpleton from humble background, be elected leader.
Or let me put in an LW way: if you are sampling from the whole distribution, you will eventually get some values from deep in the left tail :-D
Ha. No.
I got that part.
The jokes, bro. I didn’t get the jokes. You’re typically kinda funny.
I guess probability says you’re bound to miss the mark occasionally.
Jack understands the game-theoretic implications of negotiating with someone slightly insane very well. Probably better than a Chinese civil-service mandarin whose experience with slightly insane people is, I suspect, limited.
As to Rocket, well… I think his typical approach would be just right for the Middle East.