MrMind, and the LessWrong community, it seems as I was wrong on many things as you said, by hearing more about the productivity of the people at the house. I’m not sure if you have yet started to compile information on it.
I admit that I was wrong in my prediction and that ‘what is’ ‘ought to be’ seems to yet be unresolved and that the group does have some cultish behavior. The leader is very charismatic and made some very bold predictions. What I thought then was that I had discovered the ultimate key to human behavior, that everyone could be quantified down to a ‘core value’ which could be changed.
Now recently, it seems as the leader has come to the conclusion that because the click was for selfish reasons, it was unproductive. So by working on that. it seems as productivity has increased, which directly implies it was unproductive during the time period we’re speaking of, MrMind.
Also according to the singularity group, it seems as not ‘everyone’ is capable of the selfless ‘click’, you “had to have the necessary program to change yourself” so “the leader” has made the prediction that they will no longer grow their group.
Unfortunately, it seems as they are brigading, for example, the vegan subreddit. I have made a post here I wouldn’t be surprised if this could happen in other communities like this one or EA.
They do say however that reality can make you change yourself, so they’re thinking about making a curriculum, maybe even bringing people in. I think, in the end, it seems as from the perspective of the super-organism, by intellectually thinking of determinism with some probability if it applies on a macroscopic level, that it is how it is.
I would say I still appreciate the work being done I think it’s useful. Personally, I would use the resources leaning towards persistent non-symbolic experiences and dmn/self etc.
I don’t like the word cult, having had some direct and indirect experiences I know how much things can become impacting, so I won’t use the word in the context of the community you’re talking about. That said, most of the pseudoscientific groups that coalesce around a charismatic figure undergo, sooner or later, an evaporative cooling. This is a term first applied to communities by Yudkowsky, intended to mean that whenever reality disproves the leader, some member will leave, but the most fervent follower will remain with stronger beliefs. The more life disproves the common core identity of the group, the more those remain will be hardened into believing it despite all the contrary evidence. It has happened for your group much sooner than I anticipated, but still I salute your spark of scepticism.
MrMind, and the LessWrong community, it seems as I was wrong on many things as you said, by hearing more about the productivity of the people at the house. I’m not sure if you have yet started to compile information on it.
I admit that I was wrong in my prediction and that ‘what is’ ‘ought to be’ seems to yet be unresolved and that the group does have some cultish behavior. The leader is very charismatic and made some very bold predictions. What I thought then was that I had discovered the ultimate key to human behavior, that everyone could be quantified down to a ‘core value’ which could be changed.
Now recently, it seems as the leader has come to the conclusion that because the click was for selfish reasons, it was unproductive. So by working on that. it seems as productivity has increased, which directly implies it was unproductive during the time period we’re speaking of, MrMind.
Also according to the singularity group, it seems as not ‘everyone’ is capable of the selfless ‘click’, you “had to have the necessary program to change yourself” so “the leader” has made the prediction that they will no longer grow their group. Unfortunately, it seems as they are brigading, for example, the vegan subreddit. I have made a post here I wouldn’t be surprised if this could happen in other communities like this one or EA.
They do say however that reality can make you change yourself, so they’re thinking about making a curriculum, maybe even bringing people in. I think, in the end, it seems as from the perspective of the super-organism, by intellectually thinking of determinism with some probability if it applies on a macroscopic level, that it is how it is.
I would say I still appreciate the work being done I think it’s useful. Personally, I would use the resources leaning towards persistent non-symbolic experiences and dmn/self etc.
Much respect for being able to update on a topic that obviously means so much to you. Also, thanks for sharing the news.
I don’t like the word cult, having had some direct and indirect experiences I know how much things can become impacting, so I won’t use the word in the context of the community you’re talking about.
That said, most of the pseudoscientific groups that coalesce around a charismatic figure undergo, sooner or later, an evaporative cooling. This is a term first applied to communities by Yudkowsky, intended to mean that whenever reality disproves the leader, some member will leave, but the most fervent follower will remain with stronger beliefs. The more life disproves the common core identity of the group, the more those remain will be hardened into believing it despite all the contrary evidence.
It has happened for your group much sooner than I anticipated, but still I salute your spark of scepticism.