I have been pretty entertained by the somewhat advanced musing on the DnD aligments that it exhibits. However it seems that Chaotic is really getting the short end of that stick. It might be somewhat natural in that the protagonist is Lawful and the main setting is Lawful so off course they would have a very a strawman picture of Chaotic (since they are not persuaded). The Good vs Evil conflict is quite interesting and makes a lot of sense even from the “opposite polarity” than what is more traditional. However it seems like Chaotic doesn’t get this kind of interesting treatment.
As I was in the midnset that chaotic gets neglected there seemed to be some protions that had missed opprtunities for theological considerations in this axis.
“Even the Chaos is made out of Law” by “Opposite of good advice” would seem to suggest whether “even the Law is made out of Chaos” is good advice. Patterns of universe are discovered by collecting evidence and evidence is pretty much unpredictable. So it would seem that conviction of principles has to route to contingent events. In addition if one updates properly to not “update in the same direction multiple times” then how your beliefs end up going has no pattern ie is chaotic.
The principle of Cognitive Diversity seems like rather than people thinking correctly and uniformly the richness and fertiliness of having multiple approaches can be powerful.
I am also wondering whether the setting has anything comparable to the Blood War ie war between demons and devils, between Chaotic Evil and Lawful Evil. I guess there is no mortal version as Chaotic countries are said not to exist. I am hoping this is depth of worldbuilding rather than authors trying to evade engaging with chaoticness too much. This still leaves one wondering what if anything Abyss has against Hell. Why would anyone ever side on Chaos in that? (The corresponding question of “why would anyone ever side with Evil?” has way better answers).
Chaoticness is looked a lot down upon. The slight things going on is ability to sidestep some standard restrictions. If “chaos is magic” would be the thing why so Lawful place as Cheliax be so enriched in magic?
The weird vibe of treating “Law” as “Science” feels like it might be a symptom of this overexpansive conception of Lawfulness. Part of science that could be chaotic would be things like “exposing oneself to nonunderstood effects” ie experiments ie willingness to dabble with the ununderstood. Maybe part of Keltams character flaws is that he has trouble taking reality as it is, ie as part of Lawful nature concerned with how things should be rather than how they are.
Caught up to current generation of the story, it seems the chacarters have also caught on that gods do a different kind of Chaotic than the less-than-lawful condition they look down upon (at times called primordial chaos).
An example of this “lawful chaoticness” (which is probably a contradiction in its own term) was that if you do the optimal thing each time you don’t ever gather evidence how things could have been different. The antidote for the shortcoming of “lawfull lawfullness” was that in unimportant matters do the thing on purpose suboptimally to search the exploration space instead of being in exploit all the time. To my mind this in an example and an instance of what the “proper” Chaoticness is about.
I followed up the hint of https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/hAijPYdsbLibBBb9w that there existed an interesting story. I am up to things that we written in Jan 31 2022.
I have been pretty entertained by the somewhat advanced musing on the DnD aligments that it exhibits. However it seems that Chaotic is really getting the short end of that stick. It might be somewhat natural in that the protagonist is Lawful and the main setting is Lawful so off course they would have a very a strawman picture of Chaotic (since they are not persuaded). The Good vs Evil conflict is quite interesting and makes a lot of sense even from the “opposite polarity” than what is more traditional. However it seems like Chaotic doesn’t get this kind of interesting treatment.
As I was in the midnset that chaotic gets neglected there seemed to be some protions that had missed opprtunities for theological considerations in this axis.
“Even the Chaos is made out of Law” by “Opposite of good advice” would seem to suggest whether “even the Law is made out of Chaos” is good advice. Patterns of universe are discovered by collecting evidence and evidence is pretty much unpredictable. So it would seem that conviction of principles has to route to contingent events. In addition if one updates properly to not “update in the same direction multiple times” then how your beliefs end up going has no pattern ie is chaotic.
The principle of Cognitive Diversity seems like rather than people thinking correctly and uniformly the richness and fertiliness of having multiple approaches can be powerful.
I am also wondering whether the setting has anything comparable to the Blood War ie war between demons and devils, between Chaotic Evil and Lawful Evil. I guess there is no mortal version as Chaotic countries are said not to exist. I am hoping this is depth of worldbuilding rather than authors trying to evade engaging with chaoticness too much. This still leaves one wondering what if anything Abyss has against Hell. Why would anyone ever side on Chaos in that? (The corresponding question of “why would anyone ever side with Evil?” has way better answers).
Chaoticness is looked a lot down upon. The slight things going on is ability to sidestep some standard restrictions. If “chaos is magic” would be the thing why so Lawful place as Cheliax be so enriched in magic?
The weird vibe of treating “Law” as “Science” feels like it might be a symptom of this overexpansive conception of Lawfulness. Part of science that could be chaotic would be things like “exposing oneself to nonunderstood effects” ie experiments ie willingness to dabble with the ununderstood. Maybe part of Keltams character flaws is that he has trouble taking reality as it is, ie as part of Lawful nature concerned with how things should be rather than how they are.
Caught up to current generation of the story, it seems the chacarters have also caught on that gods do a different kind of Chaotic than the less-than-lawful condition they look down upon (at times called primordial chaos).
An example of this “lawful chaoticness” (which is probably a contradiction in its own term) was that if you do the optimal thing each time you don’t ever gather evidence how things could have been different. The antidote for the shortcoming of “lawfull lawfullness” was that in unimportant matters do the thing on purpose suboptimally to search the exploration space instead of being in exploit all the time. To my mind this in an example and an instance of what the “proper” Chaoticness is about.