It’s possible to talk about politics without explicitly invoking Boo lights like ‘crimmigrants’ and appeals to exaggerated risks like ‘may rob/rape/kill you anytime of day or night’. You can have a reasonable discussion of the problems of immigration, but this is not how you do it. Anyone who says this is A-OK argumentation and that calling it out is wrong is basically diametrically opposed to Lesswrong’s core concepts.
Basically, you’re accusing me of outright lying that I think that argument is quite badly written, and instead being blindly partisan. It was badly written, and I am not. I don’t even know WHAT to do about the problems arising from the rapid immigration from the Middle-East into Europe. I certainly don’t deny they exist. What I DO know is that talking about it like that does (ETA: not) help us approach the truth of the matter.
appeals to exaggerated risks like ‘may rob/rape/kill you anytime of day or night’.
Except that risk is not in fact exaggerated.
Basically, you’re accusing me of outright lying that I think that argument is quite badly written, and instead being blindly partisan.
Here’s an idea. If you don’t want to be accused of outright lying and being blindly partisan, try not outright lying and not being blindly partisan. Crazy idea, huh?
Your certainty that I am lying and blindly partisan appears to be much stronger than justifiable given the evidence publicly available, and from my point of view where I at least know that I am not lying… well, it makes your oh-so-clever insinuation fall a touch flat. As for being blindly partisan, what gives you the impression that I would tolerate this from the other side?
At the very least, I think this chain has shown that LessWrong is not a left-side echo chamber as Thomas has claimed above.
Except that risk is not in fact exaggerated
If so, the original expression of that risk was presented in such a fashion as to make that claim as non-credible as possible through explicit emotionally enflaming wording.
It’s possible to talk about politics without explicitly invoking Boo lights like ‘crimmigrants’ and appeals to exaggerated risks like ‘may rob/rape/kill you anytime of day or night’. You can have a reasonable discussion of the problems of immigration, but this is not how you do it. Anyone who says this is A-OK argumentation and that calling it out is wrong is basically diametrically opposed to Lesswrong’s core concepts.
Basically, you’re accusing me of outright lying that I think that argument is quite badly written, and instead being blindly partisan. It was badly written, and I am not. I don’t even know WHAT to do about the problems arising from the rapid immigration from the Middle-East into Europe. I certainly don’t deny they exist. What I DO know is that talking about it like that does (ETA: not) help us approach the truth of the matter.
Except that risk is not in fact exaggerated.
Here’s an idea. If you don’t want to be accused of outright lying and being blindly partisan, try not outright lying and not being blindly partisan. Crazy idea, huh?
Your certainty that I am lying and blindly partisan appears to be much stronger than justifiable given the evidence publicly available, and from my point of view where I at least know that I am not lying… well, it makes your oh-so-clever insinuation fall a touch flat. As for being blindly partisan, what gives you the impression that I would tolerate this from the other side?
At the very least, I think this chain has shown that LessWrong is not a left-side echo chamber as Thomas has claimed above.
If so, the original expression of that risk was presented in such a fashion as to make that claim as non-credible as possible through explicit emotionally enflaming wording.