You keep tossing the word “justified” around, and I am increasingly unclear on how the work that you want that word to do is getting done.
For example: I agree with you that a preference utilitarian needs some mechanism for resolving situations where preferences conflict, but I’m not sure on what basis you conclude that such a mechanism must be unjustified, nor on what basis you conclude that your agency-based moral frameworks support a more justifiable method for integrating or deciding between different people’s conflicting framework-based-conclusions.
I find your “without X we wouldn’t have a problem and therefore X is the solution” argument unconvincing. Mostly it sounds to me like you’ve decided that your framework is cool, and now you’re looking for arguments to support it.
but I’m not sure on what basis you conclude that such a mechanism must be unjustified
I was thinking it needs to be separately justified and is not justified from the principle of preference utilitarianism.
I find your “without X we wouldn’t have a problem and therefore X is the solution” argument unconvincing.
It’s a basic principle of engineering to solve a problem where it occurs. I think we’ve reached the point where I am not prepared to argue any further and don’t think it would be fruitful to try. I thank you for the challenge.
Mostly it sounds to me like you’ve decided that your framework is cool, and now you’re looking for arguments to support it.
That might be the case but I don’t think it likely. I am an asshole enough to do what I want even without moral justification and I am a cynic enough not to expect anything else from other people. I was writing my original comment merely as an additional comment to the morality debate on Less Wrong because I believe that if Eliezer would create his FAI tomorrow it wouldn’t be friendly towards me. The rest was just trying to answer your questions because I really think they helped me to think it through.
You keep tossing the word “justified” around, and I am increasingly unclear on how the work that you want that word to do is getting done.
For example: I agree with you that a preference utilitarian needs some mechanism for resolving situations where preferences conflict, but I’m not sure on what basis you conclude that such a mechanism must be unjustified, nor on what basis you conclude that your agency-based moral frameworks support a more justifiable method for integrating or deciding between different people’s conflicting framework-based-conclusions.
I find your “without X we wouldn’t have a problem and therefore X is the solution” argument unconvincing. Mostly it sounds to me like you’ve decided that your framework is cool, and now you’re looking for arguments to support it.
I was thinking it needs to be separately justified and is not justified from the principle of preference utilitarianism.
It’s a basic principle of engineering to solve a problem where it occurs. I think we’ve reached the point where I am not prepared to argue any further and don’t think it would be fruitful to try. I thank you for the challenge.
That might be the case but I don’t think it likely. I am an asshole enough to do what I want even without moral justification and I am a cynic enough not to expect anything else from other people. I was writing my original comment merely as an additional comment to the morality debate on Less Wrong because I believe that if Eliezer would create his FAI tomorrow it wouldn’t be friendly towards me. The rest was just trying to answer your questions because I really think they helped me to think it through.