I am not trying to say it would be conscious without being run. [...] I am trying to say that the computation as an abstract function has an output which is the sentence “I believe I am conscious.”
Now I think I agree with you. (Because I think you’re using “output” here in the counterfactual sense.)
But now these claims are too weak to invalidate what trist is saying. If we all agree that l-zombies, being the analogue of the calculator that’s never switched on, never actually say anything (just as the calculator never actually calculates anything), then someone who’s speaking can’t be an l-zombie (just as a calculator that’s telling us 6 + 9 = 15 must be switched on).
I agree that in order for the L-zombie to do anything in this world, it must be run. (Although I am very open to the possibility that I am wrong about that and prediction without simulation is possible)
Now I think I agree with you. (Because I think you’re using “output” here in the counterfactual sense.)
But now these claims are too weak to invalidate what trist is saying. If we all agree that l-zombies, being the analogue of the calculator that’s never switched on, never actually say anything (just as the calculator never actually calculates anything), then someone who’s speaking can’t be an l-zombie (just as a calculator that’s telling us 6 + 9 = 15 must be switched on).
Okay, I guess I interpreted trist incorrectly.
I agree that in order for the L-zombie to do anything in this world, it must be run. (Although I am very open to the possibility that I am wrong about that and prediction without simulation is possible)