Maybe the progress was contingent on them feeling better in some other way, and something as seemingly trivial as sleeping worse brought it back.
Can that really happen to normal adults?
That they go from seemingly fine members of society to despairing emotional wrecks after a single bad sleep?
The only cases I’ve heard of in real life happen to those who are literally brain damaged, whether from a bad industrial accident, accident/shell shock in military service, overdosing, bad car crashes, botched surgeries, retired football players, etc...
Speaking for myself, I would consider myself quite “normal” (whatever that means precisely) and am struggling with anxiety for the last three years. I have made a lot of progress over the years, going from “waking up with anxiety and being anxious the whole day until going to bed” to “occasionally getting axious feelings, when triggered” and a night of bad sleep definitely occasionally worsent my state.
I don’t think its about becoming “despairing emotional wrecks”, but rather just waking up in a worse state than the day before. This can feel like a setback if you thing in “I have the problem”/”I don’t have the problem”-terms and the authors point is that its not really a setback, because the fact that if you feel worse means, that you came from a better state already.
This can feel like a setback if you thing in “I have the problem”/”I don’t have the problem”-terms and the authors point is that its not really a setback, because the fact that if you feel worse means, that you came from a better state already.
A retried football player might not call themselves ‘literally brain damaged’, but if they played professionally they very likely are to some extent, and if they were a linebacker it would likely be noticeable in day to day life.
I’m suggesting that claims of whether or not a specific person, including oneself, is ‘brain damaged’ are not possible to assess without actual hard evidence, e.g. MRI scans and so on.
It’s simply not something that even a highly motivated passing reader on LW could ever credibly determine, and it’s unlikely Firrin would want to share that kind of information in any case.
If Firrin turns out to literally be a retired football player, or had suffered shell shock in military service, etc., then I guess I would be suggesting that in retrospect, and would have phrased it differently, but I didn’t consider that this morning.
I have definitely had periods where my mood on the day has basically been determined by whether I’ve slept well or not (assuming no other major factors influencing it in either direction).
A bad mood sure, but to visibly regress in a face to face conversation from one day to the next is a lot more severe. Or do you mean that they really can’t control their bad mood?
I don’t know how literally you meant the “visibly”, but people are often good at covering up how they feel inside. My mood is more stable these days so it’s a bit hard to recall the details anymore, but I would find it very plausible that a well-slept night could at some point have made the difference between “feeling basically good and happy” and “feeling like life is not worth living” for me.
But you probably wouldn’t have been able to tell that from the outside. Probably to an outside observer, it would have looked more like “Kaj looks like he’s in a good mood today” vs. “Kaj looks a little reserved today”.
Can that really happen to normal adults?
That they go from seemingly fine members of society to despairing emotional wrecks after a single bad sleep?
The only cases I’ve heard of in real life happen to those who are literally brain damaged, whether from a bad industrial accident, accident/shell shock in military service, overdosing, bad car crashes, botched surgeries, retired football players, etc...
Your definition of “normal adults” is very vague.
Speaking for myself, I would consider myself quite “normal” (whatever that means precisely) and am struggling with anxiety for the last three years. I have made a lot of progress over the years, going from “waking up with anxiety and being anxious the whole day until going to bed” to “occasionally getting axious feelings, when triggered” and a night of bad sleep definitely occasionally worsent my state.
I don’t think its about becoming “despairing emotional wrecks”, but rather just waking up in a worse state than the day before. This can feel like a setback if you thing in “I have the problem”/”I don’t have the problem”-terms and the authors point is that its not really a setback, because the fact that if you feel worse means, that you came from a better state already.
Can you clarify what this means?
I have a nightmare disorder which can absolutely ruin my week, but I wouldn’t really call myself “literally brain damaged”.
A retried football player might not call themselves ‘literally brain damaged’, but if they played professionally they very likely are to some extent, and if they were a linebacker it would likely be noticeable in day to day life.
I’m confused by what is meant by this comment. Are you suggesting that Firinn has brain damage?
I’m suggesting that claims of whether or not a specific person, including oneself, is ‘brain damaged’ are not possible to assess without actual hard evidence, e.g. MRI scans and so on.
It’s simply not something that even a highly motivated passing reader on LW could ever credibly determine, and it’s unlikely Firrin would want to share that kind of information in any case.
If Firrin turns out to literally be a retired football player, or had suffered shell shock in military service, etc., then I guess I would be suggesting that in retrospect, and would have phrased it differently, but I didn’t consider that this morning.
I have definitely had periods where my mood on the day has basically been determined by whether I’ve slept well or not (assuming no other major factors influencing it in either direction).
A bad mood sure, but to visibly regress in a face to face conversation from one day to the next is a lot more severe. Or do you mean that they really can’t control their bad mood?
I don’t know how literally you meant the “visibly”, but people are often good at covering up how they feel inside. My mood is more stable these days so it’s a bit hard to recall the details anymore, but I would find it very plausible that a well-slept night could at some point have made the difference between “feeling basically good and happy” and “feeling like life is not worth living” for me.
But you probably wouldn’t have been able to tell that from the outside. Probably to an outside observer, it would have looked more like “Kaj looks like he’s in a good mood today” vs. “Kaj looks a little reserved today”.