Yes exactly. And I am also asking you why you never considered 20 years of his most defining work before this? He proposes that the introduction of an international e-currency with a stable supply will incite our current fiat systems to asymptotically approach a limit he calls “ideal money”.
But I don’t want to introduce it like this. I want us to understand the other two threads I created that someone else linked to, because it is an incredibly difficult subject and read and I can save us the time.
Then write a clear and cogent post about Ideal Money—in one single thread, not three—that meets the posting standards.
That’s your only option right now. You can stamp your foot about it all you like but that is the case. Show people that you can behave sensibly and they will listen to you. If you keep allowing your frustration to override your common sense you’ll just keep having discussions like this.
I’ve tried to be helpful because you’re new, but I don’t think there’s any more I can say. I’m tapping out.
You don’t understand what I am saying. But others reading our dialogue will. I’ll say it like this: Nash doesn’t need me to jump through YOUR hoops to make his argument correct and valueable for this community and the world. You said you were going to read his 8 page essay, you could have read it by now...why are you still attacking my character, the delivery, and the messenger?
It is similar to what you linked, that its not that I won and Tiff conceited defeat, but there that is a risk of exhaustion or injury or some certain discomfort they wish to avoid.
I think though they weren’t at all speaking to me or my argument or my situation and they tired themselves out and also were to scared to actually address the topic of Nash’s Ideal Money.
This happens in Ju Jitus too even with “no tap outs” when the person is not conserving energy properly (and therefore not utilizing it efficiently).
I am confident that “tapping out” on the lesswrong sense originated in martial arts. Lesswrong is made up of many memes like this one, it’s a culture more than it is just a website. It’s hard to jump right in and be engaged on the level of people who juggle lots of these heuristics of behaviour all the time and have been doing so for years. Welcome! I am sure you are more than capable of catching up on our culture! You will fit right in! Lots of our culture is on the wiki and lots is in the sequences, please look around and see what you can see!
Thank you. Yes I expected it did. But these days tapping out in martial arts implies win/loss. I am happy to see the definition here doesn’t imply that, but at the same time there seems to be a need to imply “im not saying you won but I am tapping”, which is still different than I teach.
My students look for equilibrium positions and so there is never a purposeful ends. They don’t seek ends through conflict they seek re-solution through inquiry.
I have read many posts from here and look forward to reading more. But I will be sad if I can’t engage because we all lose a lot of value, and on my first real post I was warned I would be banned if I continue and I’m not sure what I am to avoid (or why we can’t have a thread/discussion about 20 years of Nash’s works that no one is talking about).
If you would like to make a draft in a google doc and PM me a link I would be happy to help you turn it into a post that won’t get deleted so quickly.
As an estimate; consider how long it might take you to write the post and aim for more than two hours of thinking, sitting and writing. Preferably up to 5 hours.
It’s funny some of my great posts took 20mins to write, and some took more than 100 hours.
Nash was a brilliant gift to humanity. Some of the ways you presented it has made it hard for people to be willing to engage. Happy to help with that.
You are underestimating the time and effort I have put into all this. Years. And I really appreciate it but you see its such a difficult concept and so deep to traverse that it needs to be presented in a certain way. And its not rational for you to make the assumption that your help would taint the presentation (especially cause it would)
Nash was a brilliant gift to humanity.
You have no idea what he did, no clue. You don’t know anything about him. No one does. He spent his whole life on this problem of Ideal Money and 20 years explaining the solution.
Part of the problem you are currently encountering is in your presentation of the idea. I am willing to accept the premise that it is important, but I am as yet unconvinced that it’s more important than the 1200 hours of other work on my todo list.
You are underestimating the time and effort I have put into all this.
Yes I have no idea what you are talking about; I can’t know right now. Do tell!
its such a difficult concept
That may be true. My offer still stands. If you think I am managing to communicate with you now; then maybe it’s worth me managing to help you communicate with other people around here. You probably already know this but humans are not automatically strategic
And its not rational for you to make the assumption that your help would taint the presentation
My offer still stands. Willing to try. Not willing to guarantee success.
You don’t know anything about him. No one does.
You will find it difficult making friends with your exciting ideas if you present them from a perspective of that attitude.
Why will no one read and address his works?
A friend recently offered logicnation to us, and asked the same question. “please read these hundreds of pages before talking to me” it’s a lot to ask. Try asking for something smaller (or breaking it down into smaller chunks) if you want people to engage.
Yes exactly. And I am also asking you why you never considered 20 years of his most defining work before this? He proposes that the introduction of an international e-currency with a stable supply will incite our current fiat systems to asymptotically approach a limit he calls “ideal money”.
But I don’t want to introduce it like this. I want us to understand the other two threads I created that someone else linked to, because it is an incredibly difficult subject and read and I can save us the time.
Then write a clear and cogent post about Ideal Money—in one single thread, not three—that meets the posting standards.
That’s your only option right now. You can stamp your foot about it all you like but that is the case. Show people that you can behave sensibly and they will listen to you. If you keep allowing your frustration to override your common sense you’ll just keep having discussions like this.
I’ve tried to be helpful because you’re new, but I don’t think there’s any more I can say. I’m tapping out.
You don’t understand what I am saying. But others reading our dialogue will. I’ll say it like this: Nash doesn’t need me to jump through YOUR hoops to make his argument correct and valueable for this community and the world. You said you were going to read his 8 page essay, you could have read it by now...why are you still attacking my character, the delivery, and the messenger?
tapping out can be explained here
Perfect thanks. I teach Ju Jitsu (which people ascribe to an integral part of mma) with no tapouts: https://steemit.com/mma/@jokerpravis/extending-bjj-with-no-tap-outs-the-end-of-conflict-and-competition
It is similar to what you linked, that its not that I won and Tiff conceited defeat, but there that is a risk of exhaustion or injury or some certain discomfort they wish to avoid.
I think though they weren’t at all speaking to me or my argument or my situation and they tired themselves out and also were to scared to actually address the topic of Nash’s Ideal Money.
This happens in Ju Jitus too even with “no tap outs” when the person is not conserving energy properly (and therefore not utilizing it efficiently).
I am confident that “tapping out” on the lesswrong sense originated in martial arts. Lesswrong is made up of many memes like this one, it’s a culture more than it is just a website. It’s hard to jump right in and be engaged on the level of people who juggle lots of these heuristics of behaviour all the time and have been doing so for years. Welcome! I am sure you are more than capable of catching up on our culture! You will fit right in! Lots of our culture is on the wiki and lots is in the sequences, please look around and see what you can see!
Thank you. Yes I expected it did. But these days tapping out in martial arts implies win/loss. I am happy to see the definition here doesn’t imply that, but at the same time there seems to be a need to imply “im not saying you won but I am tapping”, which is still different than I teach.
My students look for equilibrium positions and so there is never a purposeful ends. They don’t seek ends through conflict they seek re-solution through inquiry.
I have read many posts from here and look forward to reading more. But I will be sad if I can’t engage because we all lose a lot of value, and on my first real post I was warned I would be banned if I continue and I’m not sure what I am to avoid (or why we can’t have a thread/discussion about 20 years of Nash’s works that no one is talking about).
If you would like to make a draft in a google doc and PM me a link I would be happy to help you turn it into a post that won’t get deleted so quickly.
As an estimate; consider how long it might take you to write the post and aim for more than two hours of thinking, sitting and writing. Preferably up to 5 hours.
It’s funny some of my great posts took 20mins to write, and some took more than 100 hours.
Nash was a brilliant gift to humanity. Some of the ways you presented it has made it hard for people to be willing to engage. Happy to help with that.
You are underestimating the time and effort I have put into all this. Years. And I really appreciate it but you see its such a difficult concept and so deep to traverse that it needs to be presented in a certain way. And its not rational for you to make the assumption that your help would taint the presentation (especially cause it would)
You have no idea what he did, no clue. You don’t know anything about him. No one does. He spent his whole life on this problem of Ideal Money and 20 years explaining the solution.
Why will no one read and address his works?
Cheers!
Part of the problem you are currently encountering is in your presentation of the idea. I am willing to accept the premise that it is important, but I am as yet unconvinced that it’s more important than the 1200 hours of other work on my todo list.
Yes I have no idea what you are talking about; I can’t know right now. Do tell!
That may be true. My offer still stands. If you think I am managing to communicate with you now; then maybe it’s worth me managing to help you communicate with other people around here. You probably already know this but humans are not automatically strategic
My offer still stands. Willing to try. Not willing to guarantee success.
You will find it difficult making friends with your exciting ideas if you present them from a perspective of that attitude.
A friend recently offered logicnation to us, and asked the same question. “please read these hundreds of pages before talking to me” it’s a lot to ask. Try asking for something smaller (or breaking it down into smaller chunks) if you want people to engage.