I am a big, long time fan of Bret Weinstein, was impressed by the stoicism and apparent knowledge of Malone, and alarmed at the extreme claims Kirsch made. I’ve been following the ivermectin story over the past month or so, listening also to Dr John Campbell’s seemingly sober and impartial analysis. I’d reached the point where I believed there was financially motivated suppression of ivermectin research, believed that it likely had generic antiviral properties (via “blocking” the ACE2 receptor), believed that adverse reactions to mRNA vaccines were under-reported and were likely caused via the human cell generated spike protein circulating in the body, that the particularly serious adverse reactions could be plausibly explained by accidental intravenous injection of the vaccine, and that Dr Tess Lawrie’s BIRD group meta-analysis and Dr Pierre Kory’s meta-analysis were being unfairly rejected by top journals. I find Bret’s evolutionary argumentation compelling and I don’t have a background in biology let alone virology. I imagine I’m not alone in coming to that position.
I became increasingly skeptical once Goa dropped ivermectin from its home kits (after being touted as an ivermectin success story). Then I came across an interview by The Halifax Examiner with the leader of the TOGETHER trial on repurposed drugs for covid treatment in Canada, Dr Edward Mills. In it he dampens enthusiasm for ivermectin’s efficacy, its still part of their ongoing trial but he, without naming him, criticizes the intensity of Kory’s invermectin advocacy:
“That particular group who authored that article [Kory’s meta-analysis in The American Journal of Therapeutics] have a well understood agenda promoting ivermectin, and no amount of evidence is likely to change their mind — whether that be favorable or negative evidence — I don’t think it’s going to change their mind. So one of the problems with the ivermectin topic is that the advocate groups around ivermectin have overcalled the importance of this drug. You can’t go around promoting a drug, calling it a miracle drug that will end the pandemic, when you don’t even have a good clinical trial to support it, and that’s exactly what they did. If indeed this drug has a treatment effect — and I am very optimistic that it will — it will just be one component of the interventions that we need. It’s not going to end the pandemic. And that’s illustrated in India at the moment where Goa did recommend ivermectin, and just over the last few days it was recommended that it actually should stop being used.”
This opened cracks in my confidence in the various narratives supported by Bret around covid and ivermectin, I started reading the comments to his recent tweets looking at the pushback he receives and so came across Dr David Gorski, whose blog posts on ScienceBasedMedicine.org systematically debunk the claims made around ivermectin, the toxicity of the spike protein (the one generated in human cells after mrna vaccination, not sure what the technical term is to distinguish it from the spike protein from sars-cov-2) and the lab leak hypothesis. I don’t think its settled, but to me the criticisms made my Gorski are robust and would be of interest to people trying to reason about these issues for themselves. (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ivermectin-is-the-new-hydroxychloroquine-take-2/). I’d also be interested if people are aware of good faith counter-arguments to Gorski’s counter-arguments.
The problem is, Bret is one of the few non-conspiracy adjacent vanguards fighting against the established “science”. Because of his prior experiences being driven off campus by mob politics, he’s become “anti-fragile” so to speak, willing to fight because he has found success by being true to his set of values & principles, which is admirable. But, the burden should not fall on him, we should have a system that welcomes open debate. To me, this is obvious. Truth wins through proving something to be true, not through conjecture, mass manipulation, and isolating anyone with a hint of skepticism. The dangers are obvious, America is in ruins from this rapacious empire, we have a seriously destructive society. It’s impossible to not blame media for the state of the country (who are heavily influenced by various governmental & business actors).
That’s what is so angering to me about this entire situation, never in the history of the world has there ever been a propaganda machine quite like the United States, its the most powerful element to the American empire. Its been able to hold the veneer of political credibility through “democracy & openness”, when its really a lightly managed democracy, whose leadership class will use fear & deception to rule. Its not a “right-left” thing either, there is no doubt a class of oligarchs who move between the two parties seamlessly (ahem, Bloomberg). They are all entirely open about their desire to control humanity with vaccine passports, digital currency run by the IMF out of Switzerland, and an entirely new surveillance economy in the West to compete against China’s surveillance economy.
I’ve slowly become totally distrustful of any established narrative, because the longer you live, the more obvious it becomes just how powerful the propaganda machine in America is. They have managed to lie the country into endless wars, lied the country into a mass surveillance program with the Patriot Act, allowed the Financial Crisis to play out where millions lost their homes & nothing happened to those at fault, to now the complete nonsense ever since Covid broke out. Its just impossible to believe the state of the country represents anything remotely close to truth or reality. Now, the way people put up signs in their laws saying “In this house we believe in science”, its just feels like something out of a totalitarian society. Somehow they’ve turned this blind faith in “the science” because the media says so, into a full blown religion among a certain upper class of society. It’s just so creepy & makes me believe people like Bret are probably far closer to the truth than Fauci & his cronies are.
I am a big, long time fan of Bret Weinstein, was impressed by the stoicism and apparent knowledge of Malone, and alarmed at the extreme claims Kirsch made. I’ve been following the ivermectin story over the past month or so, listening also to Dr John Campbell’s seemingly sober and impartial analysis. I’d reached the point where I believed there was financially motivated suppression of ivermectin research, believed that it likely had generic antiviral properties (via “blocking” the ACE2 receptor), believed that adverse reactions to mRNA vaccines were under-reported and were likely caused via the human cell generated spike protein circulating in the body, that the particularly serious adverse reactions could be plausibly explained by accidental intravenous injection of the vaccine, and that Dr Tess Lawrie’s BIRD group meta-analysis and Dr Pierre Kory’s meta-analysis were being unfairly rejected by top journals. I find Bret’s evolutionary argumentation compelling and I don’t have a background in biology let alone virology. I imagine I’m not alone in coming to that position.
I became increasingly skeptical once Goa dropped ivermectin from its home kits (after being touted as an ivermectin success story). Then I came across an interview by The Halifax Examiner with the leader of the TOGETHER trial on repurposed drugs for covid treatment in Canada, Dr Edward Mills. In it he dampens enthusiasm for ivermectin’s efficacy, its still part of their ongoing trial but he, without naming him, criticizes the intensity of Kory’s invermectin advocacy:
“That particular group who authored that article [Kory’s meta-analysis in The American Journal of Therapeutics] have a well understood agenda promoting ivermectin, and no amount of evidence is likely to change their mind — whether that be favorable or negative evidence — I don’t think it’s going to change their mind. So one of the problems with the ivermectin topic is that the advocate groups around ivermectin have overcalled the importance of this drug. You can’t go around promoting a drug, calling it a miracle drug that will end the pandemic, when you don’t even have a good clinical trial to support it, and that’s exactly what they did. If indeed this drug has a treatment effect — and I am very optimistic that it will — it will just be one component of the interventions that we need. It’s not going to end the pandemic. And that’s illustrated in India at the moment where Goa did recommend ivermectin, and just over the last few days it was recommended that it actually should stop being used.”
This opened cracks in my confidence in the various narratives supported by Bret around covid and ivermectin, I started reading the comments to his recent tweets looking at the pushback he receives and so came across Dr David Gorski, whose blog posts on ScienceBasedMedicine.org systematically debunk the claims made around ivermectin, the toxicity of the spike protein (the one generated in human cells after mrna vaccination, not sure what the technical term is to distinguish it from the spike protein from sars-cov-2) and the lab leak hypothesis. I don’t think its settled, but to me the criticisms made my Gorski are robust and would be of interest to people trying to reason about these issues for themselves. (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ivermectin-is-the-new-hydroxychloroquine-take-2/). I’d also be interested if people are aware of good faith counter-arguments to Gorski’s counter-arguments.
The problem is, Bret is one of the few non-conspiracy adjacent vanguards fighting against the established “science”. Because of his prior experiences being driven off campus by mob politics, he’s become “anti-fragile” so to speak, willing to fight because he has found success by being true to his set of values & principles, which is admirable. But, the burden should not fall on him, we should have a system that welcomes open debate. To me, this is obvious. Truth wins through proving something to be true, not through conjecture, mass manipulation, and isolating anyone with a hint of skepticism. The dangers are obvious, America is in ruins from this rapacious empire, we have a seriously destructive society. It’s impossible to not blame media for the state of the country (who are heavily influenced by various governmental & business actors).
That’s what is so angering to me about this entire situation, never in the history of the world has there ever been a propaganda machine quite like the United States, its the most powerful element to the American empire. Its been able to hold the veneer of political credibility through “democracy & openness”, when its really a lightly managed democracy, whose leadership class will use fear & deception to rule. Its not a “right-left” thing either, there is no doubt a class of oligarchs who move between the two parties seamlessly (ahem, Bloomberg). They are all entirely open about their desire to control humanity with vaccine passports, digital currency run by the IMF out of Switzerland, and an entirely new surveillance economy in the West to compete against China’s surveillance economy.
I’ve slowly become totally distrustful of any established narrative, because the longer you live, the more obvious it becomes just how powerful the propaganda machine in America is. They have managed to lie the country into endless wars, lied the country into a mass surveillance program with the Patriot Act, allowed the Financial Crisis to play out where millions lost their homes & nothing happened to those at fault, to now the complete nonsense ever since Covid broke out. Its just impossible to believe the state of the country represents anything remotely close to truth or reality. Now, the way people put up signs in their laws saying “In this house we believe in science”, its just feels like something out of a totalitarian society. Somehow they’ve turned this blind faith in “the science” because the media says so, into a full blown religion among a certain upper class of society. It’s just so creepy & makes me believe people like Bret are probably far closer to the truth than Fauci & his cronies are.