Not knowing some trivia is fine. But bouncing off something when I try to figure it out, if my peers have no trouble with it, doesn’t feel fine to me. It feels terrible. It makes me double my effort, then double it again. And this reaction feels right to me, I wouldn’t want to get rid of it.
Thank you for bringing up a good counterpoint to a core point of the post.
I agree with the sentiment that tsuyoku naritai is desirable, and that some amount of disappointment is required for it. But feeling “terrible” seems like it is taking things too far.
I’m not sure where the right point on the spectrum is. I lean towards thinking that intrinsic motivation + carrots (rather than sticks) go a long way and that it is appropriate to apply “the stick” in a similar manner as you would apply hot sauce to a dish. You’d shake a little on top, not soak the entire plate in it. And similar to hot sauce, it depends on your tolerance level.
It’s also worth distinguishing between two things I’ve conflated a little bit: 1) the appropriate emotional reaction, and 2) how much one should update on the evidence. I think the more central point in the post was about (2), although (1) is definitely still worth discussing. Also, if the answer to (2) is in fact “very little”, then I think that feeling terrible for (1) would probably necessitate a little bit of lying to yourself, which is a dark art.
Not knowing some trivia is fine. But bouncing off something when I try to figure it out, if my peers have no trouble with it, doesn’t feel fine to me. It feels terrible. It makes me double my effort, then double it again. And this reaction feels right to me, I wouldn’t want to get rid of it.
Thank you for bringing up a good counterpoint to a core point of the post.
I agree with the sentiment that tsuyoku naritai is desirable, and that some amount of disappointment is required for it. But feeling “terrible” seems like it is taking things too far.
I’m not sure where the right point on the spectrum is. I lean towards thinking that intrinsic motivation + carrots (rather than sticks) go a long way and that it is appropriate to apply “the stick” in a similar manner as you would apply hot sauce to a dish. You’d shake a little on top, not soak the entire plate in it. And similar to hot sauce, it depends on your tolerance level.
It’s also worth distinguishing between two things I’ve conflated a little bit: 1) the appropriate emotional reaction, and 2) how much one should update on the evidence. I think the more central point in the post was about (2), although (1) is definitely still worth discussing. Also, if the answer to (2) is in fact “very little”, then I think that feeling terrible for (1) would probably necessitate a little bit of lying to yourself, which is a dark art.