If you are speaking to fairly dull religious individuals, you might confuse them to some extent, up until they ask someone smarter. If you are speaking to someone smart, he’ll in return ask you to visualize a Dell computer, complete with logos and microsoft windows and internet connection, that just exists on it’s own, without the universe, the factory, etc. ever having existed. And you’re back to square one, arguing with logic against rhetoric.
You’ll be back to trying to explain why you would infer existence of factory, mankind, and the like from existence of computer, even though factory is vastly more complex than a computer, but he shouldn’t infer existence of god from existence of the universe. Why if you found alien computer with alien software on it you would infer existence of entire highly complex alien race instead of explaining it as ‘just existing’.
I don’t see how asking to visualize alternate reality even constitutes a good argument. It can temporarily work on someone who believes in X without having constructed himself even rudimentary reasons to believe in X.
Yea, I don’t think that can work.
If you are speaking to fairly dull religious individuals, you might confuse them to some extent, up until they ask someone smarter. If you are speaking to someone smart, he’ll in return ask you to visualize a Dell computer, complete with logos and microsoft windows and internet connection, that just exists on it’s own, without the universe, the factory, etc. ever having existed. And you’re back to square one, arguing with logic against rhetoric.
You’ll be back to trying to explain why you would infer existence of factory, mankind, and the like from existence of computer, even though factory is vastly more complex than a computer, but he shouldn’t infer existence of god from existence of the universe. Why if you found alien computer with alien software on it you would infer existence of entire highly complex alien race instead of explaining it as ‘just existing’.
I don’t see how asking to visualize alternate reality even constitutes a good argument. It can temporarily work on someone who believes in X without having constructed himself even rudimentary reasons to believe in X.