I’m not convinced that your new “levels” are actual levels.
The structure of levels 1-4 is: 1 is base reality, 2 is when you see how people react to 1 and try to manipulate it, 3 is when everyone sees people doing 2 and adjusts, 4 is when you see how people react to 3 and try to manipulate it. (Kinda; level 4 is a bit nebulous.)
But your level 5 (news / saying “X” means “X is interesting”) doesn’t seem like it’s built on top of 4 in the same way as 2,3,4 are built on 1,2,3. Exactly what it’s built on will vary from story to story, which suggests to me that news/media isn’t a separate “level” at all, it’s just one more way in which people say things which can operate at whatever level they operate at.
For instance, suppose a newspaper headline says “Covid-19 infections in New York are way up”. That could be level 1 (people are interested because they want to know whether they can safely go to New York, or because they’re in New York and want to know whether they’re going to die soon, etc.). It could be level 2, though in this case I think it probably isn’t. (More likely level 2 in the news: a partisan newspaper publishing “Politician X does Awful Thing Y” is maybe level 2: the editors or owners of the paper want people to vote against X, which would (maybe) be a rational response if X actually did Y, so they say he did to make people vote against him.) Anyway, the Covid-19 headline could be level 2 if e.g. the owners of the paper want people to think Covid-19 is a big deal and act accordingly. Then it could be level 3 if what the owners of the paper want is to show that they are Serious People who are trying to warn everyone about the dangers of the plague. Level 4 might be where political posturing has made Team Blue want to look like Serious People and Team Red want to look as if they’re too strong to care what the Serious People think, and the paper is trying to be popular with members of Team Blue.
Those can all be categorized as “Covid-19 is interesting”. At level 1 it’s interesting because we want not to get it. We buy the paper to learn how to keep safe. At level 2 it’s interesting because we want other people to try not to get it (perhaps because then we’re less likely to get it). We buy the paper so we can wave the article at people we think are being too careless. At level 3 it’s interesting because we want to show that we too are Serious People. We buy the paper so that we can be seen reading something that says Covid-19 is a big deal. At level 4 it’s interesting because we want to show our political allegiances; we’re still buying the paper so we can be seen reading it, but now the conclusions we want others to draw are “that guy is on my team” rather than “that guy is taking the plague seriously”.
I don’t see how “Covid-19 is interesting” is helpfully considered as a level above these.
That doesn’t mean there are no higher levels of abstraction or insincerity. (Maybe a newspaper article about how different political parties are responding to Covid-19 is one level above my example of level 4, though I think the original intention is that all these higher levels get lumped together in level 4 because they’re all treating people’s allegiances and strategems and whatnot as objects of attention, in preference to anything on the ground.) But “news” isn’t, so far as I can see, a level of its own.
I agree, but my reasoning for it is different. Given that the simulacra levels framework is fake, I care mostly about the way it pumps my intuition. For me it has more impact with less levels. Grouping everything in levels 4+ as a single thing does speed processing up, and doesn’t seem to meaningfully change my conclusions. There likely exists some context where those extra levels are useful and offer new insights, but I’ve not seen it yet.
I’m not convinced that your new “levels” are actual levels.
The structure of levels 1-4 is: 1 is base reality, 2 is when you see how people react to 1 and try to manipulate it, 3 is when everyone sees people doing 2 and adjusts, 4 is when you see how people react to 3 and try to manipulate it. (Kinda; level 4 is a bit nebulous.)
But your level 5 (news / saying “X” means “X is interesting”) doesn’t seem like it’s built on top of 4 in the same way as 2,3,4 are built on 1,2,3. Exactly what it’s built on will vary from story to story, which suggests to me that news/media isn’t a separate “level” at all, it’s just one more way in which people say things which can operate at whatever level they operate at.
For instance, suppose a newspaper headline says “Covid-19 infections in New York are way up”. That could be level 1 (people are interested because they want to know whether they can safely go to New York, or because they’re in New York and want to know whether they’re going to die soon, etc.). It could be level 2, though in this case I think it probably isn’t. (More likely level 2 in the news: a partisan newspaper publishing “Politician X does Awful Thing Y” is maybe level 2: the editors or owners of the paper want people to vote against X, which would (maybe) be a rational response if X actually did Y, so they say he did to make people vote against him.) Anyway, the Covid-19 headline could be level 2 if e.g. the owners of the paper want people to think Covid-19 is a big deal and act accordingly. Then it could be level 3 if what the owners of the paper want is to show that they are Serious People who are trying to warn everyone about the dangers of the plague. Level 4 might be where political posturing has made Team Blue want to look like Serious People and Team Red want to look as if they’re too strong to care what the Serious People think, and the paper is trying to be popular with members of Team Blue.
Those can all be categorized as “Covid-19 is interesting”. At level 1 it’s interesting because we want not to get it. We buy the paper to learn how to keep safe. At level 2 it’s interesting because we want other people to try not to get it (perhaps because then we’re less likely to get it). We buy the paper so we can wave the article at people we think are being too careless. At level 3 it’s interesting because we want to show that we too are Serious People. We buy the paper so that we can be seen reading something that says Covid-19 is a big deal. At level 4 it’s interesting because we want to show our political allegiances; we’re still buying the paper so we can be seen reading it, but now the conclusions we want others to draw are “that guy is on my team” rather than “that guy is taking the plague seriously”.
I don’t see how “Covid-19 is interesting” is helpfully considered as a level above these.
That doesn’t mean there are no higher levels of abstraction or insincerity. (Maybe a newspaper article about how different political parties are responding to Covid-19 is one level above my example of level 4, though I think the original intention is that all these higher levels get lumped together in level 4 because they’re all treating people’s allegiances and strategems and whatnot as objects of attention, in preference to anything on the ground.) But “news” isn’t, so far as I can see, a level of its own.
I agree, but my reasoning for it is different.
Given that the simulacra levels framework is fake, I care mostly about the way it pumps my intuition. For me it has more impact with less levels. Grouping everything in levels 4+ as a single thing does speed processing up, and doesn’t seem to meaningfully change my conclusions.
There likely exists some context where those extra levels are useful and offer new insights, but I’ve not seen it yet.