Actually, I just realized there’s no reason you would remain conscious in QI. Surely the damage to your brain and body would put you into a coma—a fate I’d like to avoid, but definitely better than Literally Hell.
Also, what is all this talk about suicide? All I said was that I plan to die normally. You guys are reading weird things into that...
It was mostly just for contrast with the cryonics bit. Also, Quantum Suicide is another name for the same thought experiment. The others might be reacting to the “I’m in a bad place right now” combined with all this talk of death.
And I don’t see how a death being “natural” makes it OK. Death is Bad.
if people got hit on the head by a baseball bat every week, pretty soon they would invent reasons why getting hit on the head with a baseball bat was a good thing.
If you want to live today, and expect to feel the same way tomorrow, then by induction, why not at 80? Ill health? Medicine might be more advanced by then.
And I don’t see how a death being “natural” makes it OK.
That’s not what I said (though it is a good reason to be suspicious of attempts to remove it.) I’ll just leave it that I have some philosophical opinions which lead me to believe it is not annihilation.
Also, the baseball example is not a natural phenomenon. If it were, I’d consider it rational to accept it as a good thing.
I wouldn’t consider it rational even if natural. You know what else is natural? Smallpox. The Appeal to Nature is generally considered a weak argument. A “natural life” is a stone-age life. You could certainly do worse, but it’s not setting the bar very high.
If you think something is bad you are likely to oppose it or suffer experiencing it.
If you have opposed it for quite a while then there is inductive proof that opposing it is not effective. Those resources are then not producing anything. You are better of moving resources from opposition to other tasks.
If you experience it often without opposition thinking that it should not happen to you might make you suffer more. There you can cut your losses by making the adverse event hurt you as little as possible.
Magic baseball bats are ambigious how easy it would be to oppose them. Smallpox clearly does admit effective opposing.
A coma where you’re semiconscious maybe. You can’t get a successor observer-moment to the current one without the “observer”. And have you considered more exotic possibilities like Boltzmann brains?
But you still experience things when you sleep, hence are observing. Also, quantum insomnia should exist if you’re correct, but it doesn’t.
I don’t see how a Boltzmann brain spontaneously forming could ever be more likely than existing in a universe with all the infrastructure necessary to support a natural brain—even if that infrastructure beats some amazing odds, it only has to maintain itself. The theory further requires that mind unification be true.
As I said elsewhere observer moments need not be contiguous. And I agree that you could count as an observer if you’re dreaming (“semiconsciouse maybe”), but not if you’re anesthetized or similarly unconscious. This is probably the case in deep sleep and likely in comatose states.
I’ve been anesthetized twice. I don’t remember any dreams whatsoever, but I had the distant feeling that I did dream upon waking (though they may have happened as the drug was loosening its hold).
Actually, I just realized there’s no reason you would remain conscious in QI. Surely the damage to your brain and body would put you into a coma—a fate I’d like to avoid, but definitely better than Literally Hell.
Also, what is all this talk about suicide? All I said was that I plan to die normally. You guys are reading weird things into that...
It was mostly just for contrast with the cryonics bit. Also, Quantum Suicide is another name for the same thought experiment. The others might be reacting to the “I’m in a bad place right now” combined with all this talk of death.
And I don’t see how a death being “natural” makes it OK. Death is Bad.
If you want to live today, and expect to feel the same way tomorrow, then by induction, why not at 80? Ill health? Medicine might be more advanced by then.
That’s not what I said (though it is a good reason to be suspicious of attempts to remove it.) I’ll just leave it that I have some philosophical opinions which lead me to believe it is not annihilation.
Also, the baseball example is not a natural phenomenon. If it were, I’d consider it rational to accept it as a good thing.
I wouldn’t consider it rational even if natural. You know what else is natural? Smallpox. The Appeal to Nature is generally considered a weak argument. A “natural life” is a stone-age life. You could certainly do worse, but it’s not setting the bar very high.
If you think something is bad you are likely to oppose it or suffer experiencing it.
If you have opposed it for quite a while then there is inductive proof that opposing it is not effective. Those resources are then not producing anything. You are better of moving resources from opposition to other tasks.
If you experience it often without opposition thinking that it should not happen to you might make you suffer more. There you can cut your losses by making the adverse event hurt you as little as possible.
Magic baseball bats are ambigious how easy it would be to oppose them. Smallpox clearly does admit effective opposing.
A coma where you’re semiconscious maybe. You can’t get a successor observer-moment to the current one without the “observer”. And have you considered more exotic possibilities like Boltzmann brains?
But you still experience things when you sleep, hence are observing. Also, quantum insomnia should exist if you’re correct, but it doesn’t.
I don’t see how a Boltzmann brain spontaneously forming could ever be more likely than existing in a universe with all the infrastructure necessary to support a natural brain—even if that infrastructure beats some amazing odds, it only has to maintain itself. The theory further requires that mind unification be true.
As I said elsewhere observer moments need not be contiguous. And I agree that you could count as an observer if you’re dreaming (“semiconsciouse maybe”), but not if you’re anesthetized or similarly unconscious. This is probably the case in deep sleep and likely in comatose states.
I’ve been anesthetized twice. I don’t remember any dreams whatsoever, but I had the distant feeling that I did dream upon waking (though they may have happened as the drug was loosening its hold).