I read your perspective that you’ve elaborated on at some considerable length, and it’s more than a little frustrating that you get so close to understanding mine, that you describe what seems like a perfectly reasonable model of my views, and then go “surely not,” so I shall be a little terse; that should leave less room for well-meaning misinterpretation.
if the government is just evil, and anarchism is correct
Yes.
I’d expect it to be relatively clear to show this to nearly all “right thinking people” using reasonable person standards of explanation, and then “we” could just notice that, and overthrow the evil government… right?
I wouldn’t. I didn’t believe it until only recently (I used to be a minarchist), so I see just how difficult it is to show this.
Also,“overthrow the evil government” sounds like “just switch off the misaligned AGI.”
there is no at-least-semi-benevolent person-shaped entity in that “Rulership Slot”
There isn’t.
should all just agree, on the internet, to simultaneously all not pay taxes,
We should.
if you do think the government is anything other than a bunch of evil mindless parasites
I don’t. (Well, okay, maybe the county sheriffs of some small towns. But nobody relevant.)
how you complete the sentence “l’etat c’est <entity>”
If you insist that I complete this French sentence you keep riffing on, “l’etat c’est Moloch.”
why aren’t you burning cop cars and shooting tax collectors?
This is an eminently reasonable question I ask myself everyday: call it cowardice, but I don’t think it will accomplish anything, and I’d rather be alive than dead.
As a side note, this fundamental misunderstanding reminds of how Bioshock became so beloved by libertarians: the intended response to the “no gods or kings, only man” message was “Ah, I see how good and necessary the state is,” not “No king, no king, la la la la la la.”
I beg the tolerance of anyone who sees these two very long comments.
I personally found it useful to learn “yet another of my interlocutors who seems to be opposed to AI regulations has just turned out to just be basically an anarchist at heart”.
Also, Shankar and I have started DMing a bunch, to look for cruxes, because I really want to figure out how Anarchist Souls work, and he’s willing to seek common epistemic ground, and so hopefully I’ll be able to learn something in private, and me and Shankar can do some “adversarial collaboration” (or whatever), and eventually we might post something in public that lists our agreements and “still unresolved cruxes”… or something? <3
In the meantime, please don’t downvote him (or me) too harshly! I don’t think we will be “polluting the signal/noise commons of LW” much more until the private conversation resolves? Hopefully? :-)
I read your perspective that you’ve elaborated on at some considerable length, and it’s more than a little frustrating that you get so close to understanding mine, that you describe what seems like a perfectly reasonable model of my views, and then go “surely not,” so I shall be a little terse; that should leave less room for well-meaning misinterpretation.
Yes.
I wouldn’t. I didn’t believe it until only recently (I used to be a minarchist), so I see just how difficult it is to show this.
Also, “overthrow the evil government” sounds like “just switch off the misaligned AGI.”
There isn’t.
We should.
I don’t. (Well, okay, maybe the county sheriffs of some small towns. But nobody relevant.)
If you insist that I complete this French sentence you keep riffing on, “l’etat c’est Moloch.”
This is an eminently reasonable question I ask myself everyday: call it cowardice, but I don’t think it will accomplish anything, and I’d rather be alive than dead.
As a side note, this fundamental misunderstanding reminds of how Bioshock became so beloved by libertarians: the intended response to the “no gods or kings, only man” message was “Ah, I see how good and necessary the state is,” not “No king, no king, la la la la la la.”
I beg the tolerance of anyone who sees these two very long comments.
I personally found it useful to learn “yet another of my interlocutors who seems to be opposed to AI regulations has just turned out to just be basically an anarchist at heart”.
Also, Shankar and I have started DMing a bunch, to look for cruxes, because I really want to figure out how Anarchist Souls work, and he’s willing to seek common epistemic ground, and so hopefully I’ll be able to learn something in private, and me and Shankar can do some “adversarial collaboration” (or whatever), and eventually we might post something in public that lists our agreements and “still unresolved cruxes”… or something? <3
In the meantime, please don’t downvote him (or me) too harshly! I don’t think we will be “polluting the signal/noise commons of LW” much more until the private conversation resolves? Hopefully? :-)
The state is largely run by people who seek power and fame. That is importantly different from most of us.