You’ve chosen one of the easier aspects of cosnciousness: self-awareness rather than, eg. qualia.
The “necessarily biological” could be aposteriori nomic necessity, not apriori concpetual necessity, which is the only
kind you knock down in your comment.
You’ve chosen one of the easier aspects of consciousness: self-awareness rather than, eg. qualia.
I cover this a bit when I talk about awareness, but I find qualia to often be used in such a way as to obscure what consciousness is rather than explicate it. (If I tell you that consciousness requires qualia, but can’t tell you how to distinguish things which have qualia from things which do not, along with good reason to believe that this way of distinguishing is legitimate, then rocks could have qualia.)
The “necessarily biological” could be aposteriori nomic necessity, not apriori conceptual necessity, which is the only kind you knock down in your comment.
If the defenders of a biological theory of consciousness want to introduce an empirically testable law to show that consciousness requires biology then I am more than happy to let them test it and get back to us. I don’t feel the need to knock it down, since when it comes to a posteriori nomic necessity, we use science to tell whether it is legitimate or not.
If we want to understand how consciousness works in humans, we have to accou t for qualia as part of it. Having an undertanding of human consc. is the best practical basis for deciding whether other entitieies have consc. OTOH, starting by trying to decide which entities have consc. is unlikely to lead anywhere.
The biological claim can be ruled out if it is incoherent, but not if it for being unproven, since the funciontal/computational alternative is also unproven.
Accounting for qualia and starting from qualia are two entirely different things. Saying “X must have qualia” is unhelpful if we cannot determine whether or not a given thing has qualia.
Qualia can perhaps best be described, briefly, as “subjective experience.” So what do we mean by ‘subjective’ and ‘experience’?
If by ‘subjective’ we mean ‘unique to the individual position’ and by ‘experience’ we mean ‘alters its internal state on the basis of some perception’ then qualia aren’t that mysterious: a video camera can be described as having qualia if that’s what we are talking about. Of course, many philosophers won’t be happy with that sort of breakdown. But it isn’t clear that they will be happy with any definition of qualia that allows for it to be distinguished.
If you want it to be something mysterious, then you aren’t even defining it. You are just being unhelpful: like if I tell you that you owe me X dollars, without giving you anyway of defining X. If you want to break it down into non-mysterious components or conditions, great. What are they? Let me know what you are talking about, and why it should be considered important.
At this point, it’s not a matter of ruling anything out as incoherent. It’s a matter of trying to figure out what sort of thing we are talking about when we talk about consciousness and seeing how far that label applies. There doesn’t appear to be anything inherently biological about what we are talking about when we are talking about consciousness. This could be a mistake, of course: but if so, you have to show it is a mistake and why.
Accounting for qualia and starting from qualia are two entirely different things. Saying “X must have qualia” is unhelpful if we cannot determine whether or not a given thing has qualia.
We can tell that we have qualia, and our won consciousnessn is the ntarual starting point.
“Qualia” can be defined by giving examples: the way anchiovies taste, the way tomatos look, etc.
You are makiing heavy weather of the indefinability of some aspects of consciousness, but the flipside
of that is that we all experience out won consciousness. It is not a mystery to us. So we can substitute “inner ostension” for abstract definition.
There doesn’t appear to be anything inherently biological about what we are talking about when we are talking about consciousness.
OTOH, we don’t have examples of non-biological consc.
You’ve chosen one of the easier aspects of cosnciousness: self-awareness rather than, eg. qualia.
The “necessarily biological” could be aposteriori nomic necessity, not apriori concpetual necessity, which is the only kind you knock down in your comment.
I cover this a bit when I talk about awareness, but I find qualia to often be used in such a way as to obscure what consciousness is rather than explicate it. (If I tell you that consciousness requires qualia, but can’t tell you how to distinguish things which have qualia from things which do not, along with good reason to believe that this way of distinguishing is legitimate, then rocks could have qualia.)
If the defenders of a biological theory of consciousness want to introduce an empirically testable law to show that consciousness requires biology then I am more than happy to let them test it and get back to us. I don’t feel the need to knock it down, since when it comes to a posteriori nomic necessity, we use science to tell whether it is legitimate or not.
If we want to understand how consciousness works in humans, we have to accou t for qualia as part of it. Having an undertanding of human consc. is the best practical basis for deciding whether other entitieies have consc. OTOH, starting by trying to decide which entities have consc. is unlikely to lead anywhere.
The biological claim can be ruled out if it is incoherent, but not if it for being unproven, since the funciontal/computational alternative is also unproven.
Accounting for qualia and starting from qualia are two entirely different things. Saying “X must have qualia” is unhelpful if we cannot determine whether or not a given thing has qualia.
Qualia can perhaps best be described, briefly, as “subjective experience.” So what do we mean by ‘subjective’ and ‘experience’?
If by ‘subjective’ we mean ‘unique to the individual position’ and by ‘experience’ we mean ‘alters its internal state on the basis of some perception’ then qualia aren’t that mysterious: a video camera can be described as having qualia if that’s what we are talking about. Of course, many philosophers won’t be happy with that sort of breakdown. But it isn’t clear that they will be happy with any definition of qualia that allows for it to be distinguished.
If you want it to be something mysterious, then you aren’t even defining it. You are just being unhelpful: like if I tell you that you owe me X dollars, without giving you anyway of defining X. If you want to break it down into non-mysterious components or conditions, great. What are they? Let me know what you are talking about, and why it should be considered important.
At this point, it’s not a matter of ruling anything out as incoherent. It’s a matter of trying to figure out what sort of thing we are talking about when we talk about consciousness and seeing how far that label applies. There doesn’t appear to be anything inherently biological about what we are talking about when we are talking about consciousness. This could be a mistake, of course: but if so, you have to show it is a mistake and why.
We can tell that we have qualia, and our won consciousnessn is the ntarual starting point.
“Qualia” can be defined by giving examples: the way anchiovies taste, the way tomatos look, etc.
You are makiing heavy weather of the indefinability of some aspects of consciousness, but the flipside of that is that we all experience out won consciousness. It is not a mystery to us. So we can substitute “inner ostension” for abstract definition.
OTOH, we don’t have examples of non-biological consc.