We are now in this discussion thread where aquaticko has actually defined what does he mean by “socialist”. So within this particular context these “some people” are just using different terminology.
A .has also defined what A. means by “good/successful” nation, and it isn’t what you mean, so you are nto actually refuting A. with any evidence that the successful nations are all capitalist: you are instead able to attach a different truth value to a string by interpreting the terms in it differently.
I still maintain that Western European nations are best described as having mixed economies. There is a failure mode associated with describing them as a capitalist. people go on to conclude that they are successful because they are capitalist, that the non-capitialist elements need to be removed and so on. People think that is an argument based on a fact, but it is actually based on the way they have labelled a fact.
A .has also defined what A. means by “good/successful” nation, and it isn’t what you mean
That is not true. In this subthread we are both using the same definition: “make everyone rich, or even just modestly comfortable”.
I still maintain that Western European nations are best described as having mixed economies.
You are, of course, free to use whatever labels you like.
people go on to conclude that they are successful because they are capitalist
That seems a valid conclusion to me. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
that the non-capitialist elements need to be removed
And that doesn’t follow. I am not sure what “non-capitalist elements” are, anyway. If you mean something like less state ownership of companies (e.g. in France) I would agree that it would be a good thing.
People think...
So are you objecting to some unnamed people not present in this thread… OK, but how is this relevant to anything here?
We are now in this discussion thread where aquaticko has actually defined what does he mean by “socialist”. So within this particular context these “some people” are just using different terminology.
A .has also defined what A. means by “good/successful” nation, and it isn’t what you mean, so you are nto actually refuting A. with any evidence that the successful nations are all capitalist: you are instead able to attach a different truth value to a string by interpreting the terms in it differently.
I still maintain that Western European nations are best described as having mixed economies. There is a failure mode associated with describing them as a capitalist. people go on to conclude that they are successful because they are capitalist, that the non-capitialist elements need to be removed and so on. People think that is an argument based on a fact, but it is actually based on the way they have labelled a fact.
That is not true. In this subthread we are both using the same definition: “make everyone rich, or even just modestly comfortable”.
You are, of course, free to use whatever labels you like.
That seems a valid conclusion to me. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
And that doesn’t follow. I am not sure what “non-capitalist elements” are, anyway. If you mean something like less state ownership of companies (e.g. in France) I would agree that it would be a good thing.
So are you objecting to some unnamed people not present in this thread… OK, but how is this relevant to anything here?
One way to try to sidestep this issue is to explicitly use something like aquaticko!socialist, but that might cost more awkwardness than it saves you.