I would expect that other people would argue social-democratic positions well
In this particular thread or on LW in general?
In the particular thread, it’s likely that such people didn’t have time or inclination to argue, or maybe just missed this whole thing altogether. On LW in general, I don’t know—I haven’t seen enough to form an opinion.
In any case the survey results do not support your thesis that LW is dominated by neoliberals.
but a unanimous or nearly unanimous ruling indicates a failure to consider alternatives.
Haven’t seen much unanimity on sociopolitical issues here.
On the other hand there is that guy Bayes… hmm… what did you say about unanimity? :-D
Problem is, they are also complete ahistorical, and only sound simple for anthropic reasons
Graeber’s views are not quite mainstream consensus ones. And, as you say, *any* historical narrative will sound simple for anthropic reasons—it’s not something specific to neo-liberalism.
Not sure what you are proposing as an alternative to historical narratives leading to what actually happened. Basing theories of reality on counterfactuals doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.
In any case the survey results do not support your thesis that LW is dominated by neoliberals.
The survey results are out? Neat!
Not sure what you are proposing as an alternative to historical narratives leading to what actually happened. Basing theories of reality on counterfactuals doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.
I’m not saying we should base theories on counterfactuals. I’m saying that we should account for anthropic bias when giving out complexity penalties. The real path reality took to produce us is often more complicated than the idealized or imagined path.
Graeber’s view are not quite mainstream consensus ones.
The question is: are they non-mainstream in economics, anthropology, or both? I wouldn’t trust him to make any economic predictions, but if he tells me that the story of barter is false, I’m going to note that his training, employment, and social proof are as an academic anthropologist working with pre-industrial tribal cultures.
At minimum, it does seem like many anthropologists see Graeber’s work as much more tied into his politics than things even often are in that field, and that’s a field that has serious issues with that as a whole.
In this particular thread or on LW in general?
In the particular thread, it’s likely that such people didn’t have time or inclination to argue, or maybe just missed this whole thing altogether. On LW in general, I don’t know—I haven’t seen enough to form an opinion.
In any case the survey results do not support your thesis that LW is dominated by neoliberals.
Haven’t seen much unanimity on sociopolitical issues here.
On the other hand there is that guy Bayes… hmm… what did you say about unanimity? :-D
Graeber’s views are not quite mainstream consensus ones. And, as you say, *any* historical narrative will sound simple for anthropic reasons—it’s not something specific to neo-liberalism.
Not sure what you are proposing as an alternative to historical narratives leading to what actually happened. Basing theories of reality on counterfactuals doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.
The survey results are out? Neat!
I’m not saying we should base theories on counterfactuals. I’m saying that we should account for anthropic bias when giving out complexity penalties. The real path reality took to produce us is often more complicated than the idealized or imagined path.
The question is: are they non-mainstream in economics, anthropology, or both? I wouldn’t trust him to make any economic predictions, but if he tells me that the story of barter is false, I’m going to note that his training, employment, and social proof are as an academic anthropologist working with pre-industrial tribal cultures.
Previous years’ survey results: 2012, 2011, 2009. The 2013 survey is currently ongoing.
How would that work?
I am not sure what the mainstream consensus in anthropology looks like, but I have the impression that Graeber’s research is quite controversial.
At minimum, it does seem like many anthropologists see Graeber’s work as much more tied into his politics than things even often are in that field, and that’s a field that has serious issues with that as a whole.