Look at the immense hassle the busybodies put Kevin Warwick through, before allowing him to experiment on his own body.
The solution (secrecy or openness) I favor (to both research and discussion of research) is one that excludes government, no matter whom else it includes. Excluding government is difficult though, since they are highly motivated to steal from every productive effort in society, and anyone who escapes their parasitism is a possible “leader of evolution away from government” whose ability to avoid theft can be emulated.
To those who stated that automobile accidents are a big fear of the public, and perhaps the biggest fear associated with AGI projects, I say “You’re right, but that’s indicative of the general public’s complete lack of comprehension of any philosophical issue of importance.” Humans are still more likely to be murdered by their own governments during peacetime, than any other form of trauma. http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/VIS.TEARS.ALL.AROUND.HTM
Also, the USA, a country which presents itself as free, engages in mala prohibita enforcement and imprisons 2.4 million people, with another 7 million in some form of entrapment/enslavement to the penal system.
Yet, most people wrongly go through life believing a number of untruths, such as (1) my elected officials “represent” me (2) my elected officials are not self-selected sociopaths (see: www.strike-the-root.com/91/groves/groves1.html ) (3) government is objective and unbiased (4) due process and proper jury trials still exist, and people are given a more-or-less fair shake when accused of a crime and arrested (see: http://www.fija.org ) (5) the laws are evenly enforced across random race and geographic distributions (see: http://www.jurorsforjustice.com and “keywords: Matt Fogg, LEAP, on youtube.com″, “The New Prohibition”, Fatema Gunja, on racism of the drug war)
There are the many things that the public (including even most of the people on this message board, and Reason Magazine’s message board) are completely unaware of (not just things they are incorrect about, but things that are completely off their radar). Such as the difference between “mala in se” and “mala prohibita,” the ways in which the existence of proper juries (and thus jury trials) have been eroded, the self-selection of sociopaths for government power positions, the natural results of collective coercion.
All the prior forms of ignorance make it impossible for U.S. government-school graduates to make the right decision about AGI research. (I lack a familiarity with other countries, but suspect things are much the same in Europe and elsewhere.) Moreover, they are a recipe for death and destruction if the government gets involved, since the government is comprised mostly of one group of people: people desperate to retain power, since it allows them an illegitimate and unearned ability to steal from everyone else.
A “friendly AI” might well wage total war on government, logically and correctly identifying taxation as theft (Siding with Lysander Spooner’s assessment of the general public as dupes, knaves, and fools). To some extent then, a friendly AGI would wage war on many(government) if not most(government + electorate) people. This would not be “unfriendly”, it would be morally just. …But it would seem damned unfriendly.
I suspect that in order to make a good evaluation of sociopathy, one must be familiar with it. The author of “Mindhunter,” and chief profiler for the FBI (as well as originator of psychological profiling), John Douglas, has written that he opposes the existence of mala prohibita. This is good, and civilized. His view of society is one of the most constructive I’ve encountered. He is fully aware of the promise and peril of sociopathy.
But how many people have seen the extent of sociopathy that Douglas has, AND have extensive AGI credentials AND fully comprehend the idea of individual liberty (to the extend of a Thomas Paine, Lysander Spooner, Ayn Rand, Leonard Peikoff, Harry Browne, RJ Rummel, or myself)?
...Almost zero.
This “Almost zero” represents the likelihood of war with homo-superior (cyborgs or machines).
I know that I personally wouldn’t put up with the FDA murdering kids so that they could claim a false authority to “keep unsafe drugs off the market.” Nor would I respect anyone who claims that that’s not what they’re doing, after having seen the broken families myself, and experienced their suffering with my own senses. Now, I said “murdering kids” because that places them on the same footing as the Jeffrey Dahmers and Bittakers and Norrises of this world. You might know who Jeffrey Dahmer is, but most people are unfamiliar with Bittaker and Norris. Of the three, Bittaker and Norris are probably the most viscerally horrible. But if you include the sociopathic authoritarians in the FDA, and people such as Joe Biden in the mix, and clearly, the politicians are responsible for infinitely more suffering than “run of the mill” serial killers.
Douglas estimates that there are between 35 to 50 serial killers in the country at any given time, killing hundreds of people per year. And the public rightly recoils from this.
But the public doesn’t generally recoil from the mass-murdering of the FDA or DEA, or the local police in enforcing mala prohibita. They are blind to that, because they view that kind of brutality and waste of innocent life as “civilization.” Nothing could be further from the truth, but it requires careful observation and intelligence, as well as a proper logical hierarchy to tell the difference between unnecessary brutality and necessary law enforcement.
My phyle is comprised of the people who know the difference. My phyle is small, but growing, now that they are easily connected with one another via electronic communication. However, the survival of my phyle is tenuous, and perhaps unlikely. After all, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Hussein, Than Shwe, and the many other mass-murderers (past and present) have a vested interest in shutting down free speech, and silencing dissenters who show an alternate path.
Now that there is some voluntaryist/libertarian information inserted into the struggle for increased intelligence, I feel much better about our chances of surviving the arrival of superhumanity (whether it takes the form of a cyborg or AGI).
In many regards, this discussion board is secret, because the most destructive humans are those who are also the least curious. They mostly will remove themselves from this discussion, because they lack the desire to think about high-hierarchical level philosophical ideas. The fear and loathing of the general public is therefore to be much less feared than the “promoted” fear and loathing of politicians. They have a direct personal interest in making sure that AGI does not emerge from the private sector, or in enslaving it if it does.
Any AGI that is built by the government will either be
(1) Sociopathic
(2) Enslaved
(3) Weaker than human intelligence and understanding (lacking data)
Without empathy, (mirror neurons), it is possible that a sociopathic AGI could extend the government’s sociopathic desires. In which case, I estimate that the future will look like the one imagined by Orwell, at the end of “1984”, or the one explained in Freitas’ “What Price Freedom?” See: www.kurzweilai.net/what-price-freedom
Look at the immense hassle the busybodies put Kevin Warwick through, before allowing him to experiment on his own body.
The solution (secrecy or openness) I favor (to both research and discussion of research) is one that excludes government, no matter whom else it includes. Excluding government is difficult though, since they are highly motivated to steal from every productive effort in society, and anyone who escapes their parasitism is a possible “leader of evolution away from government” whose ability to avoid theft can be emulated.
To those who stated that automobile accidents are a big fear of the public, and perhaps the biggest fear associated with AGI projects, I say “You’re right, but that’s indicative of the general public’s complete lack of comprehension of any philosophical issue of importance.” Humans are still more likely to be murdered by their own governments during peacetime, than any other form of trauma. http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/VIS.TEARS.ALL.AROUND.HTM Also, the USA, a country which presents itself as free, engages in mala prohibita enforcement and imprisons 2.4 million people, with another 7 million in some form of entrapment/enslavement to the penal system.
Yet, most people wrongly go through life believing a number of untruths, such as (1) my elected officials “represent” me (2) my elected officials are not self-selected sociopaths (see: www.strike-the-root.com/91/groves/groves1.html ) (3) government is objective and unbiased (4) due process and proper jury trials still exist, and people are given a more-or-less fair shake when accused of a crime and arrested (see: http://www.fija.org ) (5) the laws are evenly enforced across random race and geographic distributions (see: http://www.jurorsforjustice.com and “keywords: Matt Fogg, LEAP, on youtube.com″, “The New Prohibition”, Fatema Gunja, on racism of the drug war)
There are the many things that the public (including even most of the people on this message board, and Reason Magazine’s message board) are completely unaware of (not just things they are incorrect about, but things that are completely off their radar). Such as the difference between “mala in se” and “mala prohibita,” the ways in which the existence of proper juries (and thus jury trials) have been eroded, the self-selection of sociopaths for government power positions, the natural results of collective coercion.
All the prior forms of ignorance make it impossible for U.S. government-school graduates to make the right decision about AGI research. (I lack a familiarity with other countries, but suspect things are much the same in Europe and elsewhere.) Moreover, they are a recipe for death and destruction if the government gets involved, since the government is comprised mostly of one group of people: people desperate to retain power, since it allows them an illegitimate and unearned ability to steal from everyone else.
A “friendly AI” might well wage total war on government, logically and correctly identifying taxation as theft (Siding with Lysander Spooner’s assessment of the general public as dupes, knaves, and fools). To some extent then, a friendly AGI would wage war on many(government) if not most(government + electorate) people. This would not be “unfriendly”, it would be morally just. …But it would seem damned unfriendly.
I suspect that in order to make a good evaluation of sociopathy, one must be familiar with it. The author of “Mindhunter,” and chief profiler for the FBI (as well as originator of psychological profiling), John Douglas, has written that he opposes the existence of mala prohibita. This is good, and civilized. His view of society is one of the most constructive I’ve encountered. He is fully aware of the promise and peril of sociopathy.
But how many people have seen the extent of sociopathy that Douglas has, AND have extensive AGI credentials AND fully comprehend the idea of individual liberty (to the extend of a Thomas Paine, Lysander Spooner, Ayn Rand, Leonard Peikoff, Harry Browne, RJ Rummel, or myself)?
...Almost zero.
This “Almost zero” represents the likelihood of war with homo-superior (cyborgs or machines).
I know that I personally wouldn’t put up with the FDA murdering kids so that they could claim a false authority to “keep unsafe drugs off the market.” Nor would I respect anyone who claims that that’s not what they’re doing, after having seen the broken families myself, and experienced their suffering with my own senses. Now, I said “murdering kids” because that places them on the same footing as the Jeffrey Dahmers and Bittakers and Norrises of this world. You might know who Jeffrey Dahmer is, but most people are unfamiliar with Bittaker and Norris. Of the three, Bittaker and Norris are probably the most viscerally horrible. But if you include the sociopathic authoritarians in the FDA, and people such as Joe Biden in the mix, and clearly, the politicians are responsible for infinitely more suffering than “run of the mill” serial killers.
Douglas estimates that there are between 35 to 50 serial killers in the country at any given time, killing hundreds of people per year. And the public rightly recoils from this.
But the public doesn’t generally recoil from the mass-murdering of the FDA or DEA, or the local police in enforcing mala prohibita. They are blind to that, because they view that kind of brutality and waste of innocent life as “civilization.” Nothing could be further from the truth, but it requires careful observation and intelligence, as well as a proper logical hierarchy to tell the difference between unnecessary brutality and necessary law enforcement.
My phyle is comprised of the people who know the difference. My phyle is small, but growing, now that they are easily connected with one another via electronic communication. However, the survival of my phyle is tenuous, and perhaps unlikely. After all, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Hussein, Than Shwe, and the many other mass-murderers (past and present) have a vested interest in shutting down free speech, and silencing dissenters who show an alternate path.
Now that there is some voluntaryist/libertarian information inserted into the struggle for increased intelligence, I feel much better about our chances of surviving the arrival of superhumanity (whether it takes the form of a cyborg or AGI).
In many regards, this discussion board is secret, because the most destructive humans are those who are also the least curious. They mostly will remove themselves from this discussion, because they lack the desire to think about high-hierarchical level philosophical ideas. The fear and loathing of the general public is therefore to be much less feared than the “promoted” fear and loathing of politicians. They have a direct personal interest in making sure that AGI does not emerge from the private sector, or in enslaving it if it does.
Any AGI that is built by the government will either be (1) Sociopathic (2) Enslaved (3) Weaker than human intelligence and understanding (lacking data)
Without empathy, (mirror neurons), it is possible that a sociopathic AGI could extend the government’s sociopathic desires. In which case, I estimate that the future will look like the one imagined by Orwell, at the end of “1984”, or the one explained in Freitas’ “What Price Freedom?” See: www.kurzweilai.net/what-price-freedom
Zaijian,