Hmm. I’m now even more of the opinion that you’re complaining in the abstract about something that is sometimes justified and sometimes not, and you should instead complain specifically about the times when it’s not. Making the abstract argument is suspicious to me—it feels like you’re asking for something that I already give mixed with something that I don’t intend to give.
In other words, now I’m not sure if I’m in the group of people you’re complaining about / trying to change. If you’d give some specific examples, it’d be way easier to even know if we disagree :)
Note that I agree that this applies to random bits of maths too - It requires effort to distinguish between between “so what”?, “that’s interesting”, and “that has implications that matter”. That effort is not automatically due from an audience—it needs to be done (or at least started) by the person presenting the theorem/result.
Hmm. I’m now even more of the opinion that you’re complaining in the abstract about something that is sometimes justified and sometimes not, and you should instead complain specifically about the times when it’s not. Making the abstract argument is suspicious to me—it feels like you’re asking for something that I already give mixed with something that I don’t intend to give.
In other words, now I’m not sure if I’m in the group of people you’re complaining about / trying to change. If you’d give some specific examples, it’d be way easier to even know if we disagree :)
Note that I agree that this applies to random bits of maths too - It requires effort to distinguish between between “so what”?, “that’s interesting”, and “that has implications that matter”. That effort is not automatically due from an audience—it needs to be done (or at least started) by the person presenting the theorem/result.