I’m a male who falls explicitly in a PUA thread’s target demographic. I don’t think PUA is an inherently bad idea. I think there’s a lot of good, worthwhile information to be learned that isn’t necessarily sexist. I would like to be in a relationship but suck at avoiding the friend zone. I’d prefer a PUA discussion in an environment where the premier focus is on rationality rather than sex.
I still think this is a bad idea. For a lot of reasons. But the number one is:
As much as I’d like to improve my own abilities to get women to see me as a relationship prospect, I’d much rather have more women in the world who I am actually interested in in the first place. Which means, among other things, more female rationalists.
The information on PUA is already out there. There’s enough of it out there that the limiting reagent is not my ability to discuss it in a rationalist environment, it’s my willingless to go out and do the actual work required to put it into practice. The slight advantage of having a nicer place to discuss it is outweighed by a failure of this site to reach more women. And I can filter out the misogynist crap that accompanies it by also reading feminist blogs and doing some critical thinking.
The information on PUA is already out there. There’s enough of it out there that the limiting reagent is not my ability to discuss it in a rationalist environment, it’s my willingless to go out and do the actual work required to put it into practice. The slight advantage of having a nicer place to discuss it is outweighed by a failure of this site to reach more women.
Wouldn’t the optimal solution be a rationalist discussion of the subject away from LW?
I think that’d be perfectly reasonable. What I myself would like to see is something of a “rational feminist PUA community,” wherein a primary constraint is ensuring equal status, wellbeing and personhood of the women involved.
I’m a male who falls explicitly in a PUA thread’s target demographic. I don’t think PUA is an inherently bad idea. I think there’s a lot of good, worthwhile information to be learned that isn’t necessarily sexist. I would like to be in a relationship but suck at avoiding the friend zone. I’d prefer a PUA discussion in an environment where the premier focus is on rationality rather than sex.
I still think this is a bad idea. For a lot of reasons. But the number one is:
As much as I’d like to improve my own abilities to get women to see me as a relationship prospect, I’d much rather have more women in the world who I am actually interested in in the first place. Which means, among other things, more female rationalists.
The information on PUA is already out there. There’s enough of it out there that the limiting reagent is not my ability to discuss it in a rationalist environment, it’s my willingless to go out and do the actual work required to put it into practice. The slight advantage of having a nicer place to discuss it is outweighed by a failure of this site to reach more women. And I can filter out the misogynist crap that accompanies it by also reading feminist blogs and doing some critical thinking.
Wouldn’t the optimal solution be a rationalist discussion of the subject away from LW?
I think that’d be perfectly reasonable. What I myself would like to see is something of a “rational feminist PUA community,” wherein a primary constraint is ensuring equal status, wellbeing and personhood of the women involved.