This is substantially different from saying with any kind of certainty that helping other people is identical to helping myself.
No, it’s not.
Other people want things contrary to what I want.
What does that have to do with helping yourself, thus other people?
Having low attachment to my identity is not the same thing as being okay with people hurting or killing me.
Yeah, but ‘me’ is used practically.
The fact that human brains run on physics in no way implies that helping another is helping yourself.
I said your neural activity includes you and your environment and that there is no differentiation. So there is no differentiation by helping another as in helping yourself.
Again, if a person wants to kill me, I’m not helping myself if I hand him a gun. If you model human agents the way Dennis Hoffman’s character does in I Heart Huckabees you’re going to end up repeatedly confused and stymied by reality.
That’s the practical ‘myself’ to talk about this body, its requirements and so on. You are helping yourself by not giving him a gun because you are not differentiated by your environment. You are presuming that you are helping yourself by giving gun because you think that there is another. No there is only yourself. You help yourself by not giving the gun because your practical ‘myself’ is included in ‘yourself’.
This is also just not factual. You’re making an outlandish and totally unsupported claim when you say that “emotionally accepting reality” causes the annihilation of the self. The only known things that can make the identity and self vanish are
high dose psychotropic compounds
extremely long and intense meditation of particular forms that do not look much like what you’re talking about
and even these are only true for certain circumscribed senses of the word “self”.
I don’t deny that it is not that factual as there is limited objective evidence.
These are pseudo-religious woo, not supported by science anywhere. I have given you very simple examples of scenarios where they are flatly false, which immediately proves that they are not the powerful general truths you seem to think they are.
I disagree with ‘helping another is helping you’ being psuedo-religious woo but it’s because we’re talking about semantics. We have to decide what ‘me’ or my ‘self’ or ‘I’ is. I use the neural activity as the definition of this. You seem to use some type philosophical reasoning where you are presuming I use the same definition.
So we should investigate if your self and identity can die from that and if other facts which we don’t embrace emotionally leads to a similar process but for their area. That’s the entire point of my original post.
It doesn’t look like there’s anywhere to go from here. It looks like you are acknowledging that where your positions are strong, they are not novel, and where they are novel, they are not strong. If you enjoy drawing the boundaries of your self in unusual places or emotionally associating your identity with certain ideas, go for it. Just don’t expect anybody else to find those ideas compelling without evidence.
These are the steps I did to have identity death: link to steps I also meditated on the 48 min hypnosis track youtube If you are interested in where I got my ideas from and if you want to try it yourself. It’s of course up to you but you have a strong identity and ego issues and I think it will help “you”(and me).
Yeah, it’s also called ‘Enlightenment’ in theological traditions. You can read the testimonies here. MrMind has, for example, read them, but he’s waiting a bit longer to contact these people on Reddit to see if it sticks around. I think the audio can work really well with a good pair of headphones and playing it as FLAC.
No, it’s not.
What does that have to do with helping yourself, thus other people?
Yeah, but ‘me’ is used practically.
I said your neural activity includes you and your environment and that there is no differentiation. So there is no differentiation by helping another as in helping yourself.
That’s the practical ‘myself’ to talk about this body, its requirements and so on. You are helping yourself by not giving him a gun because you are not differentiated by your environment. You are presuming that you are helping yourself by giving gun because you think that there is another. No there is only yourself. You help yourself by not giving the gun because your practical ‘myself’ is included in ‘yourself’.
I don’t deny that it is not that factual as there is limited objective evidence.
I disagree with ‘helping another is helping you’ being psuedo-religious woo but it’s because we’re talking about semantics. We have to decide what ‘me’ or my ‘self’ or ‘I’ is. I use the neural activity as the definition of this. You seem to use some type philosophical reasoning where you are presuming I use the same definition.
So we should investigate if your self and identity can die from that and if other facts which we don’t embrace emotionally leads to a similar process but for their area. That’s the entire point of my original post.
It doesn’t look like there’s anywhere to go from here. It looks like you are acknowledging that where your positions are strong, they are not novel, and where they are novel, they are not strong. If you enjoy drawing the boundaries of your self in unusual places or emotionally associating your identity with certain ideas, go for it. Just don’t expect anybody else to find those ideas compelling without evidence.
I agree.
These are the steps I did to have identity death: link to steps I also meditated on the 48 min hypnosis track youtube If you are interested in where I got my ideas from and if you want to try it yourself. It’s of course up to you but you have a strong identity and ego issues and I think it will help “you”(and me).
You’ve had people complete these steps and report that the “What will happen after you make the click” section actually happens?
Yeah, it’s also called ‘Enlightenment’ in theological traditions. You can read the testimonies here. MrMind has, for example, read them, but he’s waiting a bit longer to contact these people on Reddit to see if it sticks around. I think the audio can work really well with a good pair of headphones and playing it as FLAC.