Thanks for the pointer to the zombie sequence. I ’ve read part of it in the past and did not think it addressed the issue but I will revisit.
What about it seems worth refuting?
Well, the way it shows that you can not get consciousness from syntactic symbol manipulation. And Bayesian update is also a type of syntactic symbol manipulation so I am not clear why you are treating it differently. Are you sure you are not making the assumption that consciousness arises algorithmically to justify your conclusion and thus introduce circularity in your logic?
I don’t know. Many people are rejecting the ‘Chinese room’ argument as naive but I haven’t understood why yet so I am honestly open to the possibility that I am missing something.
I repeat: show that none of your neurons have consciousness separate from your own.
Why on Earth would you think Searle’s argument shows anything, when you can’t establish that you aren’t a Chinese Gym? In order to even cast doubt on the idea that neurons are people, don’t you need to rely on functionalism or a similar premise?
(I am not sure at all about all this so please correct me if you recognise any inconsistencies)
First of all, I honestly don’t understand your claim that neurons have consciousness separate from our own. I don’t know but I surely don’t have any indication of that...
Why on Earth would you think Searle’s argument shows anything, when you can’t establish that you aren’t a Chinese Gym?
The point is that the brain is not a Touring machine since it does not seem to be digital. A Chinese Gym would still be a syntactic system that uses ‘instructions’ between people.This is related to the way Giulio Tononi is attempting to solve the problem of consciousness with his Phi theory.
Thanks for the pointer to the zombie sequence. I ’ve read part of it in the past and did not think it addressed the issue but I will revisit.
Well, the way it shows that you can not get consciousness from syntactic symbol manipulation. And Bayesian update is also a type of syntactic symbol manipulation so I am not clear why you are treating it differently. Are you sure you are not making the assumption that consciousness arises algorithmically to justify your conclusion and thus introduce circularity in your logic?
I don’t know. Many people are rejecting the ‘Chinese room’ argument as naive but I haven’t understood why yet so I am honestly open to the possibility that I am missing something.
I repeat: show that none of your neurons have consciousness separate from your own.
Why on Earth would you think Searle’s argument shows anything, when you can’t establish that you aren’t a Chinese Gym? In order to even cast doubt on the idea that neurons are people, don’t you need to rely on functionalism or a similar premise?
(I am not sure at all about all this so please correct me if you recognise any inconsistencies)
First of all, I honestly don’t understand your claim that neurons have consciousness separate from our own. I don’t know but I surely don’t have any indication of that...
The point is that the brain is not a Touring machine since it does not seem to be digital. A Chinese Gym would still be a syntactic system that uses ‘instructions’ between people.This is related to the way Giulio Tononi is attempting to solve the problem of consciousness with his Phi theory.