No one has picked up the true origin of OpenAI yet. If you dig in to it, you will see some revealing declarations and emails. The whole idea for a non-profit open AI organization and the commitment to share the benefits with humanity by the name of Open AI came through theft.
Rings true. I’m not sure it pushes me much on the ethics of OpenAI; somebody else had a good idea for a philosophy and a name to push for AI in a certain (maybe dumb) direction; they recognized it as a good idea and appropriated it for their own similar project. Should they have used a more different name? Probably. Should they have used a more different philosophical argument? No. Should they have brought Guy Ravine on board? Probably not; his vision for how the thing would actually go was very different from theirs, and none of his skills were really that relevant. He’d have been in arguments with them from the start.
Is this the right way for industry to work? Nope. But nobody knows how to properly give credit for good but broad ideas.
None of this is to endorse anything or anyone related to OpenAI, just to say it’s pretty standard practice.
Ravine’s story is depressing. He is blind to his own lies at this point. He is blatantly patent trolling.
He wants to be famous, he wants to be important, he has made no effort to utilize open.ai beyond fabricating screenshots for the USPTO and siphoning users from Openai.com.
He didn’t get his idea stolen, he just picked a good name.
Read the 100 page complaint. He came up with OpenAI as a non-profit for the benefit of humanity. Altman and Brockman stole the idea, name and founding principles from him, and rushed to announce an identical effort before Google Research backed his OpenAI. The point: The idea for OpenAI and the founding principles to operate as a non-profit for the benefit of humanity came through theft. It wasn’t Altman or Brockman’s idea to begin with. So it is not surprising that they betrayed the mission. The idea was powerful because it was a way to recruit people and get Musk’s involvement. And now they live with the consequences of taking another person’s vision and attempting to pivot to be a for-profit company that has erased its founding commitments. By the way, he was there before Brockman and Altman who stole it from him, not the other way around, and was sued by OpenAI, not the other way around, so it is bizarre that you claim he is trolling.
No one has picked up the true origin of OpenAI yet. If you dig in to it, you will see some revealing declarations and emails. The whole idea for a non-profit open AI organization and the commitment to share the benefits with humanity by the name of Open AI came through theft.
(1) Bloomberg tells part of the story: https://archive.ph/1wEOX
(2) The 100-page lawsuit of Guy Ravine vs Sam Altman and Greg Brockman tells more of the story (link from here): https://guyravine.com/
(3) They also filed a narrower complaint: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.416410/gov.uscourts.cand.416410.103.0.pdf
Rings true. I’m not sure it pushes me much on the ethics of OpenAI; somebody else had a good idea for a philosophy and a name to push for AI in a certain (maybe dumb) direction; they recognized it as a good idea and appropriated it for their own similar project. Should they have used a more different name? Probably. Should they have used a more different philosophical argument? No. Should they have brought Guy Ravine on board? Probably not; his vision for how the thing would actually go was very different from theirs, and none of his skills were really that relevant. He’d have been in arguments with them from the start.
Is this the right way for industry to work? Nope. But nobody knows how to properly give credit for good but broad ideas.
None of this is to endorse anything or anyone related to OpenAI, just to say it’s pretty standard practice.
Found a link to the 100-page lawsuit of Guy Ravine vs Sam Altman and Greg Brockman here: https://guyravine.com/
They also filed a narrower complaint: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.416410/gov.uscourts.cand.416410.103.0.pdf
Ravine’s story is depressing. He is blind to his own lies at this point. He is blatantly patent trolling.
He wants to be famous, he wants to be important, he has made no effort to utilize open.ai beyond fabricating screenshots for the USPTO and siphoning users from Openai.com.
He didn’t get his idea stolen, he just picked a good name.
Noting, this doesn’t really engage with any of the particular other claims in the previous comment’s link, just makes a general assertion.
Read the 100 page complaint. He came up with OpenAI as a non-profit for the benefit of humanity. Altman and Brockman stole the idea, name and founding principles from him, and rushed to announce an identical effort before Google Research backed his OpenAI. The point: The idea for OpenAI and the founding principles to operate as a non-profit for the benefit of humanity came through theft. It wasn’t Altman or Brockman’s idea to begin with. So it is not surprising that they betrayed the mission. The idea was powerful because it was a way to recruit people and get Musk’s involvement. And now they live with the consequences of taking another person’s vision and attempting to pivot to be a for-profit company that has erased its founding commitments. By the way, he was there before Brockman and Altman who stole it from him, not the other way around, and was sued by OpenAI, not the other way around, so it is bizarre that you claim he is trolling.