It is characteristic of sam0345 (James A. Donald, I believe) to express his own views in the voice of an imaginary opponent who is outraged at them, with the implication that the imaginary opponent is a distillation of his actual interlocutors.
In the other venues where I have seen him post, it is a very effective technique for fanning flamewars.
with the implication that the imaginary opponent is a distillation of his actual interlocutors.
The downvote reveals that the imaginary opponent is an accurate distillation. Had the comment been allowed to stand, would have looked silly, would have been self refuting. There is nothing as ludicrous as the martyr soliciting martyrdom, and no one martyring him, as for example Andres Serrano earnestly seeking death threats and failing to get them.
It’s clear what the narrative in your own head is, but the narrative in mine when I see this sort of thing is that you’re wearing one of these t-shirts.
Pre-empting other people’s rejection is, always and everywhere, a low status action, an acknowledgement that everyone around you is higher in the pecking order. It may not feel like that when you’re doing it, but that’s what it is. Yes, it’s even lower status to not even get taken notice of when you ask to be pissed on, but getting pissed on is not much of a step up, especially if some of the people pissing agree with the rest of what you have to say.
The thing is, you do actually have sensible things to say, when you aren’t playing the “kick me, that’ll show everyone” card. Mencius Moldbug, with whom your views have a lot in common, and you have mentioned favourably, has also been mentioned favourably here. I don’t see him saying “kick me”, and neither do you on your own blog. But every time you enter a public forum you put on the “kick me” shirt, and the more you get kicked, the more you lap it up.
Why are you here, anyway? So far you have only exercised a few of your own hobbyhorses. They may be interesting and important matters, and not only to you, but you obviously aren’t here to refine the art of human rationality. (Have you ever read anything by Eliezer Yudkowsky, for example?) You’re here to talk politics and get a warm glow of validation from hostile reactions from this bunch of people you heard of who are so arrogant as to call themselves Less Wrong.
Had the comment been allowed to stand, would have looked silly, would have been self refuting.
Trolls get downvoted even if they say “You jerkfaces can only prove you are not jerkfaces by not downvoting me.” (which is what you essentially did)
But I knew you lot would predictably respond.
Yeah, you’re like an artist, craving the contempt of your contemporaries, because you think that proves you “edgy”.
PHOEBE BUFFAY: “I would give anything to not be appreciated in my own time!”
You did not say “I doubt it.” You said that a doubter would be silenced. Try saying “I doubt it” here and see what happens.
Do not confuse levels.
It is characteristic of sam0345 (James A. Donald, I believe) to express his own views in the voice of an imaginary opponent who is outraged at them, with the implication that the imaginary opponent is a distillation of his actual interlocutors.
In the other venues where I have seen him post, it is a very effective technique for fanning flamewars.
The downvote reveals that the imaginary opponent is an accurate distillation. Had the comment been allowed to stand, would have looked silly, would have been self refuting. There is nothing as ludicrous as the martyr soliciting martyrdom, and no one martyring him, as for example Andres Serrano earnestly seeking death threats and failing to get them.
But I knew you lot would predictably respond.
It’s clear what the narrative in your own head is, but the narrative in mine when I see this sort of thing is that you’re wearing one of these t-shirts.
Pre-empting other people’s rejection is, always and everywhere, a low status action, an acknowledgement that everyone around you is higher in the pecking order. It may not feel like that when you’re doing it, but that’s what it is. Yes, it’s even lower status to not even get taken notice of when you ask to be pissed on, but getting pissed on is not much of a step up, especially if some of the people pissing agree with the rest of what you have to say.
The thing is, you do actually have sensible things to say, when you aren’t playing the “kick me, that’ll show everyone” card. Mencius Moldbug, with whom your views have a lot in common, and you have mentioned favourably, has also been mentioned favourably here. I don’t see him saying “kick me”, and neither do you on your own blog. But every time you enter a public forum you put on the “kick me” shirt, and the more you get kicked, the more you lap it up.
Why are you here, anyway? So far you have only exercised a few of your own hobbyhorses. They may be interesting and important matters, and not only to you, but you obviously aren’t here to refine the art of human rationality. (Have you ever read anything by Eliezer Yudkowsky, for example?) You’re here to talk politics and get a warm glow of validation from hostile reactions from this bunch of people you heard of who are so arrogant as to call themselves Less Wrong.
Trolls get downvoted even if they say “You jerkfaces can only prove you are not jerkfaces by not downvoting me.” (which is what you essentially did)
Yeah, you’re like an artist, craving the contempt of your contemporaries, because you think that proves you “edgy”. PHOEBE BUFFAY: “I would give anything to not be appreciated in my own time!”
No.
You are confusing levels. Practice not confusing levels.