Substitute other criteria for what? You write as though the problem of obtaining correspondence to ultimate reality were already solved, and only the will to do so is missing.
I don’t have to solve the problem of induction to look out my window and see whether it is raining. I don’t need 100% certainty, a four-nines probability estimate is just fine for me.
Where’s the “just go to the window and look” in judging beliefs according to “compellingness-of-story”?
Merely observing doesnt solve everything.
What about the rainbow you see after the rain has stopped?
How many times have people observed the sun without knowing it is a fusion reactor?
Which is to say that is a lot more complex than “just look” and also more complex than “come up with a predictive theory”. Indeed, no-one has method for obtaining correspondence to reality that works in all cases..
This seems to be completely missing the mark and failing to respond in good faith. I already deleted a couple other comments for this reason, including one of yours nshepperd, but this case is marginal enough that I’ll let it slide. Consider yourself warned and I will ban if necessary to maintain productive discussion, which would be unfortunate given your fruitful contributions elsewhere in the comments of this post.
I’m sorry, what? In this discussion? That seems like an egregious conflict of interest. You don’t get to unilaterally decide that my comments are made in bad faith based on your own interpretation of them. I saw which comment of mine you deleted and honestly I’m baffled by that decision.
The moderation system we settled on gives people above a certain karma threshold the ability to moderate on their own posts, which I think is very important to allow people to build their own gardens and cultivate ideas. Discussion about that general policy should happen in meta. I will delete any further discussion of moderation policies on this post.
Please see the moderation guidelines. I choose to enforce a particular norm I spell out and I’m the ultimate arbiter of that. If anything I am too generous to people and let them get away with a lot of bullshit before I put a stop to things. This is not to say I never make errors, but if I think you made insufficient effort to respond in a good faith way to advance the conversation, understand the other person, and respond in a way that is not simply reacting in frustration, trying to score points, or otherwise speak to some purpose other than increasing mutual understanding, then your comment will be deleted. If you don’t like my garden you can always go talk somewhere else.
Substitute other criteria for what? You write as though the problem of obtaining correspondence to ultimate reality were already solved, and only the will to do so is missing.
I don’t have to solve the problem of induction to look out my window and see whether it is raining. I don’t need 100% certainty, a four-nines probability estimate is just fine for me.
Where’s the “just go to the window and look” in judging beliefs according to “compellingness-of-story”?
I wasn’t talking about induction specifically.
Merely observing doesnt solve everything. What about the rainbow you see after the rain has stopped? How many times have people observed the sun without knowing it is a fusion reactor?
Indeed, the scientific history of how observation and experiment led to a correct understanding of the phenomenon of rainbows is long and fascinating.
Which is to say that is a lot more complex than “just look” and also more complex than “come up with a predictive theory”. Indeed, no-one has method for obtaining correspondence to reality that works in all cases..
This seems to be completely missing the mark and failing to respond in good faith. I already deleted a couple other comments for this reason, including one of yours nshepperd, but this case is marginal enough that I’ll let it slide. Consider yourself warned and I will ban if necessary to maintain productive discussion, which would be unfortunate given your fruitful contributions elsewhere in the comments of this post.
I’m sorry, what? In this discussion? That seems like an egregious conflict of interest. You don’t get to unilaterally decide that my comments are made in bad faith based on your own interpretation of them. I saw which comment of mine you deleted and honestly I’m baffled by that decision.
The moderation system we settled on gives people above a certain karma threshold the ability to moderate on their own posts, which I think is very important to allow people to build their own gardens and cultivate ideas. Discussion about that general policy should happen in meta. I will delete any further discussion of moderation policies on this post.
Please see the moderation guidelines. I choose to enforce a particular norm I spell out and I’m the ultimate arbiter of that. If anything I am too generous to people and let them get away with a lot of bullshit before I put a stop to things. This is not to say I never make errors, but if I think you made insufficient effort to respond in a good faith way to advance the conversation, understand the other person, and respond in a way that is not simply reacting in frustration, trying to score points, or otherwise speak to some purpose other than increasing mutual understanding, then your comment will be deleted. If you don’t like my garden you can always go talk somewhere else.