Oh, he is not a misogynist, all right, I just said that he frames his stuff in language that’s widely used and abused by misogynists. Geeks can’t appreciate how important proper connotations are in all social matters! We’ve talked about that before! The comments I linked to say as much; that might be some decent advice, but why frame it like that?
he frames his stuff in language that’s widely used and abused by misogynists
He is reclaiming the language! (Half-seriously.)
Look, there are some unsympathetic people everywhere. “Red Pill” people have Roissy. Feminists had Solanas. Comparing these two, at least Roissy didn’t try to kill anyone, nor does he recommend killing, so let’s cut him some slack. The difference is that Roissy is popular now, Solanas is mostly forgotten. Well, ten years later maybe nobody will know about Roissy, if the more sane people become more popular than him and the ideas will enter the mainstream. Try to silence Athol Kay, and then all you have left are the Roissys. Because the idea is already out there and it’s not going to disappear; it fits many people’s experiences too well. (For example myself.)
Connotations of ideas are a matter of political power. If you have the power, you can create positive connotations for your keywords and negative connotations for your opponents’ keywords. You can make your ideas mainstream, and for many people mainstream equals good. Currently, feminism has the power, so it has the power to create the connotations. And it has the power to demonize its opponents. And you are exercising this power right now. (You take a boo word “misogynist” and associate it with someone, and you have a socially valid argumentum ad hominem. If I tried to do the same thing using the word “misandrist”, I wouldn’t get anywhere, because people are not conditioned about that word, so they would just laugh at that kind of argument.)
Someone else could try to tell the same advice, avoiding to use the sensitive words. Which means that for many words he would simply have to invent synonyms. Which would be academically dishonest, because it is a way to use someone’s research without giving them credit. But it would be technically possible. Maybe even successful. The question is whether other people would not connect the old words with the new words. Some words, like the “Red Pill” are not necessary. With some other words, the offensive part is the concept (for example that female attraction is predictable, and this is how specifically it works).
Oh, he is not a misogynist, all right, I just said that he frames his stuff in language that’s widely used and abused by misogynists. Geeks can’t appreciate how important proper connotations are in all social matters! We’ve talked about that before! The comments I linked to say as much; that might be some decent advice, but why frame it like that?
He is reclaiming the language! (Half-seriously.)
Look, there are some unsympathetic people everywhere. “Red Pill” people have Roissy. Feminists had Solanas. Comparing these two, at least Roissy didn’t try to kill anyone, nor does he recommend killing, so let’s cut him some slack. The difference is that Roissy is popular now, Solanas is mostly forgotten. Well, ten years later maybe nobody will know about Roissy, if the more sane people become more popular than him and the ideas will enter the mainstream. Try to silence Athol Kay, and then all you have left are the Roissys. Because the idea is already out there and it’s not going to disappear; it fits many people’s experiences too well. (For example myself.)
Connotations of ideas are a matter of political power. If you have the power, you can create positive connotations for your keywords and negative connotations for your opponents’ keywords. You can make your ideas mainstream, and for many people mainstream equals good. Currently, feminism has the power, so it has the power to create the connotations. And it has the power to demonize its opponents. And you are exercising this power right now. (You take a boo word “misogynist” and associate it with someone, and you have a socially valid argumentum ad hominem. If I tried to do the same thing using the word “misandrist”, I wouldn’t get anywhere, because people are not conditioned about that word, so they would just laugh at that kind of argument.)
Someone else could try to tell the same advice, avoiding to use the sensitive words. Which means that for many words he would simply have to invent synonyms. Which would be academically dishonest, because it is a way to use someone’s research without giving them credit. But it would be technically possible. Maybe even successful. The question is whether other people would not connect the old words with the new words. Some words, like the “Red Pill” are not necessary. With some other words, the offensive part is the concept (for example that female attraction is predictable, and this is how specifically it works).
Fun fact: There is a RedPillWomen group on Reddit. Are those women misogynists too? (Here is a thread about hating women and their choices, here is a thread about feminism versus the Red Pill.)
No shit, Sherlock. Internalized sexism exists. Luckily, one lady who just wanted “traditional gender roles” in her relationship, and less of the fucked-in-the-headedness, has escaped that goddamn cesspool and reported her experience:
http://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/1hh5z5/changed_my_view/
Also:
http://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/1gapim/trp_why_i_actually_believed_this_shit_for_a_month/