You’re probably right about the subjective/relative thing.
He admits that things like this are contextually based while being marxist enough to say that the context itself doesn’t matter, only that the logic is able to work within it.
Ethics are inherently logical, not physical. Obviously you can’t shoot it but you can disprove their value easily enough by attacking what they’re contingent on. Not all logic is created equal, and don’t bring evolution into it. You can just as easily say that this is the common belief imprinted onto us by society only because the masters society us to be more easy to rule. Considering many other things, this is probably the case.
You’ve said that according to [Qiaochu_Yuan] ethics is contextually based, although context itself doesn’t matter.
In the last comment, you seemed to agree with the gist of the idea.
Ethics are inherently logical, not physical.
In your earlier comment, you said
But in this article I’m pretty sure he was addressing the commonly agreed upon ‘most good for the most people’ morality
The word ‘but’ sounded like a counter-argument. I don’t see the counter argument. If you have found a problem with what Qiaochu_Yuan said, could you elucidate it please. Without referring to Marxism, or anything else political.
To clear everything up:
The first in the op argues morality as logic because it isn’t logic “all the way down”. Yuan is saying that all the way down doesn’t matter because it works within its own context and that, that is all that matters. Obviously this is wrong; creating a context just so you can work within it to prove your point is known as a strawman. The logic of the context is just as important as the logic it contains.
....I don’t see why. We can tell a story about how our desires came into being, through psychology and the like, but when we ask ‘what do we do right now?’ the calculation doesn’t need to refer to those facts. It oughtn’t—they aren’t related to the moral calculation.
You’re probably right about the subjective/relative thing. He admits that things like this are contextually based while being marxist enough to say that the context itself doesn’t matter, only that the logic is able to work within it.
Ethics are inherently logical, not physical. Obviously you can’t shoot it but you can disprove their value easily enough by attacking what they’re contingent on. Not all logic is created equal, and don’t bring evolution into it. You can just as easily say that this is the common belief imprinted onto us by society only because the masters society us to be more easy to rule. Considering many other things, this is probably the case.
I don’t understand most of what you’re saying.
You’ve said that according to [Qiaochu_Yuan] ethics is contextually based, although context itself doesn’t matter.
In the last comment, you seemed to agree with the gist of the idea.
In your earlier comment, you said
The word ‘but’ sounded like a counter-argument. I don’t see the counter argument. If you have found a problem with what Qiaochu_Yuan said, could you elucidate it please. Without referring to Marxism, or anything else political.
To clear everything up: The first in the op argues morality as logic because it isn’t logic “all the way down”. Yuan is saying that all the way down doesn’t matter because it works within its own context and that, that is all that matters. Obviously this is wrong; creating a context just so you can work within it to prove your point is known as a strawman. The logic of the context is just as important as the logic it contains.
....I don’t see why. We can tell a story about how our desires came into being, through psychology and the like, but when we ask ‘what do we do right now?’ the calculation doesn’t need to refer to those facts. It oughtn’t—they aren’t related to the moral calculation.
The post on the importance of macro-optimization over micro basically explains it. Macro optimization creats the context for micro optimization.