The point is not whether philosophy is morally bad or good, but whether it is epistemically bad or good. Shmimux has not provided an empirical justification for empiricism, and cannot consistently provide any other.
Empiricism, however, is easily justified if you look at it empirically: empirical studies work
Please publish that result. Lots of things are claimed to work, and formalising handwaving claims of “working”, so they are not a free-for-all has proven extremely difficult.
Note that pragmatism, the fullest exploration of the “it works” philosophy to date, was intentionally inclusive.
There’s no “claim”. If you take the advice of doctors, use modern technology, or pretty much anything that relies on a scientific understanding of the world around us, you are implicitly endorsing empiricism as the philosophy that made it all possible.
I am saying that to demarcate woo from non-woo using the criterion of “working” you need a criterion of working that isn’ta subjective gut feeling. You need to solve the problem of formalising the empirical justification of empiricism.
All right. How about this: something “works” if it is independently replicable and reliably results in statistically significant deviations from the null result.
Reliable results of what? Is there anything that reliably indicates realism? If someone says that your reliable resultsare just accurate predictions of subjective experience, how do you counter them? And does your method tell you what you should be doing , or just what experiences to passively expect?
The point is not whether philosophy is morally bad or good, but whether it is epistemically bad or good. Shmimux has not provided an empirical justification for empiricism, and cannot consistently provide any other.
Please publish that result. Lots of things are claimed to work, and formalising handwaving claims of “working”, so they are not a free-for-all has proven extremely difficult.
Note that pragmatism, the fullest exploration of the “it works” philosophy to date, was intentionally inclusive.
There’s no “claim”. If you take the advice of doctors, use modern technology, or pretty much anything that relies on a scientific understanding of the world around us, you are implicitly endorsing empiricism as the philosophy that made it all possible.
You have missed the point. For any kind of “woo” , there are people who claims it works..
I… really don’t see how this has anything to do with the discussion, unless you’re calling science woo.
...Are you calling science woo?
I am saying that to demarcate woo from non-woo using the criterion of “working” you need a criterion of working that isn’ta subjective gut feeling. You need to solve the problem of formalising the empirical justification of empiricism.
All right. How about this: something “works” if it is independently replicable and reliably results in statistically significant deviations from the null result.
Reliable results of what? Is there anything that reliably indicates realism? If someone says that your reliable resultsare just accurate predictions of subjective experience, how do you counter them? And does your method tell you what you should be doing , or just what experiences to passively expect?