I found the above comment to be mostly incoherent, so I’ll reply to the meaningful parts.
I have not at any point participated in the discussion “who is worth helping”.
Infotropism made a comment that essentially said people are more likely to help “cute puppies” than “dirty hobos” due to buggy hardware. You replied that your dog’s senses are probably sharper than a hobo’s, and that the hobo chose his or her condition. I deem that “participation”, even if you didn’t understand what was being discussed or implied.
I think we two are in a personal dialogue here—off the beaten track as it were, as I don’t think others wil come visiting. Fine. We are also weaving a thread of mutual “conotations” (or in our case “misconnotations”). Also fine. A little case-study—just for us!
A case study in disagreement! (he he)
As you point out—Infotropism made a point about helping cute puppies contra hobos. This was a reply to an earlier point from me on “compassion”. Compassion is not directly related to helping. I work in the helping profession—this does not mean I am theoretically interested in “helping”. I was not participating in a discussion on helping. Originally I was attacking Eliezer for his arrogance, which has been sidestepped to diverse diversions. Infortropism and I went on to riff on common and separate themes. Then you came along.
I am neither posturing nor condescending. I am simply making the point, that what I say will appear incohernt to you, just as I do not understand why you are so sure you are right, why you think you can find meaningful parts from a whole you find incoherent and why you think you have the right to deconstruct or correct another’s expression. What you assume to be a rational and impartial analysis (by you of me) appears posturing and condescending to me! Your analysis postulates a greater intelligence, a sharper insight, a greater stringency. None of which I recognize.
Yours is also the conceit of Eliezer who wants to program intelligence and thus thinks that things have to be reduced to algorithms, before one has understood them. It is a mechanical intelligence.
Does one wish to dance with a jerky doll or talk to a human? For that is how your deconstruction seems to me!
Let’s just say that I am divergent and you are convergent in our ways of thinking???
You win more points than I do from our audience. This is because convergence is the dominant style here on LW. Once in a while I get a little snarky over it. And probably I should be moving on to greener pastures. Even though I think these two styles should be able to finde a synthesis or at least improve on each other.
I found the above comment to be mostly incoherent, so I’ll reply to the meaningful parts.
Infotropism made a comment that essentially said people are more likely to help “cute puppies” than “dirty hobos” due to buggy hardware. You replied that your dog’s senses are probably sharper than a hobo’s, and that the hobo chose his or her condition. I deem that “participation”, even if you didn’t understand what was being discussed or implied.
How very condescending. Spare me your posturing.
I think we two are in a personal dialogue here—off the beaten track as it were, as I don’t think others wil come visiting. Fine. We are also weaving a thread of mutual “conotations” (or in our case “misconnotations”). Also fine. A little case-study—just for us!
A case study in disagreement! (he he)
As you point out—Infotropism made a point about helping cute puppies contra hobos. This was a reply to an earlier point from me on “compassion”. Compassion is not directly related to helping. I work in the helping profession—this does not mean I am theoretically interested in “helping”. I was not participating in a discussion on helping. Originally I was attacking Eliezer for his arrogance, which has been sidestepped to diverse diversions. Infortropism and I went on to riff on common and separate themes. Then you came along.
I am neither posturing nor condescending. I am simply making the point, that what I say will appear incohernt to you, just as I do not understand why you are so sure you are right, why you think you can find meaningful parts from a whole you find incoherent and why you think you have the right to deconstruct or correct another’s expression. What you assume to be a rational and impartial analysis (by you of me) appears posturing and condescending to me! Your analysis postulates a greater intelligence, a sharper insight, a greater stringency. None of which I recognize.
Yours is also the conceit of Eliezer who wants to program intelligence and thus thinks that things have to be reduced to algorithms, before one has understood them. It is a mechanical intelligence.
Does one wish to dance with a jerky doll or talk to a human? For that is how your deconstruction seems to me!
Let’s just say that I am divergent and you are convergent in our ways of thinking???
You win more points than I do from our audience. This is because convergence is the dominant style here on LW. Once in a while I get a little snarky over it. And probably I should be moving on to greener pastures. Even though I think these two styles should be able to finde a synthesis or at least improve on each other.
Mvh
I think I have that right because I do have that right.
Ah!
You must be talking about epistemic accuracy. Getting things right and not just less wrong.
I am actually rather curious.… who or what has given you this right? What does it correlate with?
Sky-hooks?