And are either Dijkstra or ESR in a position to directly compare the efficacy of software engineering as a means of clearly expressing philosophical ideas to the efficacy of philosophy as a means of clearly expressing philosophical ideas..ie, do they know anything about philosophy?
It’s not news that when two or more STEM type are gathered together they will recite the Mantra Against the Philosophers, in the expectation of reaping agreement and maybe even applause. It’s just not very significant.
It’s also not news that software engineering teaches you to express software engineering concepts clearly, and it’s not very relevant since the topic is expressing philosophical concepts. Pointing out that someone else is unclear doesn’t make you clear. Pointing about that you can be clear about X doesn’t make you clear about Y.
Which philosophers would you particularly recommend for this purpose?
Getting into conversations where there is mutual commitment to clear communication is the best practice, because you get instant feedback Learning the jargon of philosophy—there are a number of dictionary-style works—is also helpful: after all the jargon is tailored to just the kind of topic you were discussing.
What in philosophy will assist our most gifted fellow humans in thinking previously impossible thought
That’s a different topic, but it happens...philosophers have been criticised for entertaining ideas that are too weird, among other things.
or is worth learning for the profound enlightenment experience I will have when I finally get it?
That’s a different topic, but it happens...philosophers have been criticised for entertaining ideas that are too weird, among other things.
Weirdness is not the same thing as previously impossible thought. In the strongest form of “impossible thought” you will not even understand the claim being made enough that it registers with you.
It’s not news that when two or more STEM type are gathered together they will recite the Mantra Against the Philosophers, in the expectation of reaping agreement and maybe even applause.
I’m not sure it makes sense to label people like E.S. Raymond who are proclaim hacker values as STEM types. Raymond isn’t following the popular science narrative of logical positivism that you find with the typical STEM person.
Weirdness is not the same thing as previously impossible thought. In the strongest form of “impossible thought” you will not even understand the claim being made enough that it registers with you.
Whatever. It’s about the third or fourth change of topic.
And are either Dijkstra or ESR in a position to directly compare the efficacy of software engineering as a means of clearly expressing philosophical ideas to the efficacy of philosophy as a means of clearly expressing philosophical ideas..ie, do they know anything about philosophy?
It’s not news that when two or more STEM type are gathered together they will recite the Mantra Against the Philosophers, in the expectation of reaping agreement and maybe even applause. It’s just not very significant.
It’s also not news that software engineering teaches you to express software engineering concepts clearly, and it’s not very relevant since the topic is expressing philosophical concepts. Pointing out that someone else is unclear doesn’t make you clear. Pointing about that you can be clear about X doesn’t make you clear about Y.
Getting into conversations where there is mutual commitment to clear communication is the best practice, because you get instant feedback Learning the jargon of philosophy—there are a number of dictionary-style works—is also helpful: after all the jargon is tailored to just the kind of topic you were discussing.
That’s a different topic, but it happens...philosophers have been criticised for entertaining ideas that are too weird, among other things.
That’s a different topic again.
Weirdness is not the same thing as previously impossible thought. In the strongest form of “impossible thought” you will not even understand the claim being made enough that it registers with you.
I’m not sure it makes sense to label people like E.S. Raymond who are proclaim hacker values as STEM types. Raymond isn’t following the popular science narrative of logical positivism that you find with the typical STEM person.
Whatever. It’s about the third or fourth change of topic.