But the aim isn’t to create people, its to save those who are already alive. You are saying that many of those people need to die now to prevent other deaths later, sounds pretty movie-vilain to me.
No it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous. It sounds like the role of an extra who isn’t playing any significant role in the movie at all. I’ve never once seen a movie where the villain was completely irrelevant to the plot and made no significant plot related actions. I’m afraid you’ve just lost the assumption of good faith. Your earlier questions could have at least been genuine confusion but now it seems you are just trying to villainise the act of not sharing your naive morality. I mean as actual literal villains who do things like create genocidal diseases.
They seem pretty similar from the perspective of the person on the other end.
That sounds true until you actually think about it. Someone trying to exterminate you doesn’t seem anything like someone who isn’t involved at all.
Okay, so now what this is actually about is nothing to do with Malthusian scenario’s but merely the fact that you don’t want to do anything and I’m and Evil Moralist trying to force you to. That’s quite a different tune to the one you started with, where you claimed that donating to AMF was actively a bad thing. If you had just started off by saying “I’m not interested in preventing malaria, I didn’t cause this problem and I don’t feel like doing anything about it” then I would have had no problem with that. There is a big different between saying you don’t want to help and giving arguments why other people shouldn’t, in the latter case you need to actually be right.
Essentially you’ve completely retreated from your original positive claim and are instead trying to paint yourself as the innocent victim of my horrible moralising, when this is not the case.
Essentially you’ve completely retreated from your original positive claim and are instead trying to paint yourself as the innocent victim of my horrible moralising, when this is not the case.
This (and the rest of the parent) is utter nonsense—and both logically and conventionally rude. I don’t retract anything at all and wedrifid reaffirms everything his recent past selves have said in his initial claim and subsequent comments until now.
I responded to your initial question under the assumption that you were at least slightly genuinely curious. My impression now is that you are more interested in jumping to and from whichever strawman is the most convenient caricature of a given parent. I don’t have words to express how not-ok I am with the flow of this conversation which are not subject to self-censorship.
No it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous. It sounds like the role of an extra who isn’t playing any significant role in the movie at all. I’ve never once seen a movie where the villain was completely irrelevant to the plot and made no significant plot related actions. I’m afraid you’ve just lost the assumption of good faith. Your earlier questions could have at least been genuine confusion but now it seems you are just trying to villainise the act of not sharing your naive morality. I mean as actual literal villains who do things like create genocidal diseases.
That sounds true until you actually think about it. Someone trying to exterminate you doesn’t seem anything like someone who isn’t involved at all.
Okay, so now what this is actually about is nothing to do with Malthusian scenario’s but merely the fact that you don’t want to do anything and I’m and Evil Moralist trying to force you to. That’s quite a different tune to the one you started with, where you claimed that donating to AMF was actively a bad thing. If you had just started off by saying “I’m not interested in preventing malaria, I didn’t cause this problem and I don’t feel like doing anything about it” then I would have had no problem with that. There is a big different between saying you don’t want to help and giving arguments why other people shouldn’t, in the latter case you need to actually be right.
Essentially you’ve completely retreated from your original positive claim and are instead trying to paint yourself as the innocent victim of my horrible moralising, when this is not the case.
This (and the rest of the parent) is utter nonsense—and both logically and conventionally rude. I don’t retract anything at all and wedrifid reaffirms everything his recent past selves have said in his initial claim and subsequent comments until now.
I responded to your initial question under the assumption that you were at least slightly genuinely curious. My impression now is that you are more interested in jumping to and from whichever strawman is the most convenient caricature of a given parent. I don’t have words to express how not-ok I am with the flow of this conversation which are not subject to self-censorship.
Looking over this conversation I think you have a point.
I apologise and will bow out of this discussion.
I was not expecting that. I just updated my model of the universe such that it appears to be a slightly better place to exist.