This happens on LW as well, fairly often. It’s hard to really introduce a topic in a way that people BELIEVE you when you say you’re exploring concept space and looking for ideas related to this, rather than trying to evaluate this actual statement. It’s still worth trying to get that across when you can.
It’s also important to know your audience/discussion partners. For many people, it’s entirely predictable that when you say “I’m thinking about … get everyone on patreon” they will react to the idea of getting their representation of “everyone” on their ideas of “patreon”. In fact, I don’t know what else you could possibly get.
It may be better to try to frame your uncertainty about the problem, and explore that for awhile, before you consider solutions, especially solutions to possibly-related-but-different problems. WHY are you thinking about funding and revenue? Do you need money? Do you want to give money to someone? Do you want some person C to create more content and you think person D will fund them? It’s worth it to explore where Patreon succeeds and fails at whatever goals you have, but first you have to identify the goals.
Separating two different points in my example, there’s “You misunderstanding my point leads me to misunderstand my point” (the thing I think is the most interesting part) and there’s also “blarg! Stop misunderstanding me!”
I’m with you on your suggestion of framing a discussion as uncertainty about a problem, to get less of the misunderstanding.
This happens on LW as well, fairly often. It’s hard to really introduce a topic in a way that people BELIEVE you when you say you’re exploring concept space and looking for ideas related to this, rather than trying to evaluate this actual statement. It’s still worth trying to get that across when you can.
It’s also important to know your audience/discussion partners. For many people, it’s entirely predictable that when you say “I’m thinking about … get everyone on patreon” they will react to the idea of getting their representation of “everyone” on their ideas of “patreon”. In fact, I don’t know what else you could possibly get.
It may be better to try to frame your uncertainty about the problem, and explore that for awhile, before you consider solutions, especially solutions to possibly-related-but-different problems. WHY are you thinking about funding and revenue? Do you need money? Do you want to give money to someone? Do you want some person C to create more content and you think person D will fund them? It’s worth it to explore where Patreon succeeds and fails at whatever goals you have, but first you have to identify the goals.
Separating two different points in my example, there’s “You misunderstanding my point leads me to misunderstand my point” (the thing I think is the most interesting part) and there’s also “blarg! Stop misunderstanding me!”
I’m with you on your suggestion of framing a discussion as uncertainty about a problem, to get less of the misunderstanding.