I’m not sure there’s an overarching “curiosity” that people have or don’t have: I’m very curious about whether a specific kind of database will perform adequately in certain circumstances (long story) but I’m only mildly curious about how to identify which French painter during the 19th century painted which picture. Some art experts, I’m sure, have cultivated the skill to guess within seconds which painter it is for every picture. I wouldn’t mind having that skill—it sounds like a fun skill to have—but it seems like it would be more resources than it’s worth. OTOH, I really want my probability estimations re: the database to reflect reality. Do I need to use AI theory? Doubtful. Probably a little bit of statistics, and even that fairly mild, but I do have to think a lot about how to use my knowledge of databases to design experiments to find the truth out. I’m not sure if that would look “curious” to the lay person (and, of course, there’s also a factor of “signaling curiosity”—I want to make sure that everyone with a stake in the process sees that I’ve done the due diligence), but nonetheless, I’m truly curious about this (and yes, it could go both ways...I think this is the most important part of curiosity vs. fake curiosity).
When I was genuinely curious about the US immigration laws applied to me (and again, it could have gone both ways—before running any experiments, I made sure to visualize both options, and realizing I can live with both) I just called an immigration lawyer (and, for a latter question, the paralegal who was involved with my visa). In that case I needed very little knowledge from LW—I didn’t apply my knowledge about Bayes, or about heuristics and biases, and just went and asked a professional (of course, in some cases, like wanting to know if a stock will go up, asking a professional is disasterous, but with immigration law, lawyers can estimate probabilities fairly accurately even if they lack formal rationality training).
Those were the two examples of real curiosity from my life that I could think of, that looked nothing like the description here of “real curiosity”....
I think this is a question of what satisfies your curiosity. Neither of the examples you give is a paradigm example of curiosity as such—curiosity is generally taken to mean a desire for knowledge for its own sake whereas both your examples involve seeking knowledge for practical reasons—but perhaps in your case these work and personal issues are enough to satisfy your curiosity. The fact that you’re here makes me think otherwise though. Surely you read LessWrong out of curiosity?
Yes, I do seek knowledge for other reasons, here and elsewhere. But my expectation that this will not “look like” curiosity because I expect to have few changes in my behavior based on what I read, and so the importance of it being “true” is likewise diminished. Sure, I would like to have my beliefs about the brain and AI be true, but I’m not prepared to spend a LOT of resources to do it—I’m sure if I were really curious about the role of Oxytocin in relationships, I could reach true beliefs faster by spending more resources. There are gradations between “French paintings” and “database performance” in how curious I am about things, I agree, and most of Less Wrong falls somewhere in the middle of it. The curiosity Luke was alluding to is the all consuming curiosity of “things I expect belief accuracy to have large impact on my utility”, which I doubt most of Less Wrong falls on.
I’m not sure there’s an overarching “curiosity” that people have or don’t have: I’m very curious about whether a specific kind of database will perform adequately in certain circumstances (long story) but I’m only mildly curious about how to identify which French painter during the 19th century painted which picture. Some art experts, I’m sure, have cultivated the skill to guess within seconds which painter it is for every picture. I wouldn’t mind having that skill—it sounds like a fun skill to have—but it seems like it would be more resources than it’s worth. OTOH, I really want my probability estimations re: the database to reflect reality. Do I need to use AI theory? Doubtful. Probably a little bit of statistics, and even that fairly mild, but I do have to think a lot about how to use my knowledge of databases to design experiments to find the truth out. I’m not sure if that would look “curious” to the lay person (and, of course, there’s also a factor of “signaling curiosity”—I want to make sure that everyone with a stake in the process sees that I’ve done the due diligence), but nonetheless, I’m truly curious about this (and yes, it could go both ways...I think this is the most important part of curiosity vs. fake curiosity).
When I was genuinely curious about the US immigration laws applied to me (and again, it could have gone both ways—before running any experiments, I made sure to visualize both options, and realizing I can live with both) I just called an immigration lawyer (and, for a latter question, the paralegal who was involved with my visa). In that case I needed very little knowledge from LW—I didn’t apply my knowledge about Bayes, or about heuristics and biases, and just went and asked a professional (of course, in some cases, like wanting to know if a stock will go up, asking a professional is disasterous, but with immigration law, lawyers can estimate probabilities fairly accurately even if they lack formal rationality training).
Those were the two examples of real curiosity from my life that I could think of, that looked nothing like the description here of “real curiosity”....
I think this is a question of what satisfies your curiosity. Neither of the examples you give is a paradigm example of curiosity as such—curiosity is generally taken to mean a desire for knowledge for its own sake whereas both your examples involve seeking knowledge for practical reasons—but perhaps in your case these work and personal issues are enough to satisfy your curiosity. The fact that you’re here makes me think otherwise though. Surely you read LessWrong out of curiosity?
Yes, I do seek knowledge for other reasons, here and elsewhere. But my expectation that this will not “look like” curiosity because I expect to have few changes in my behavior based on what I read, and so the importance of it being “true” is likewise diminished. Sure, I would like to have my beliefs about the brain and AI be true, but I’m not prepared to spend a LOT of resources to do it—I’m sure if I were really curious about the role of Oxytocin in relationships, I could reach true beliefs faster by spending more resources. There are gradations between “French paintings” and “database performance” in how curious I am about things, I agree, and most of Less Wrong falls somewhere in the middle of it. The curiosity Luke was alluding to is the all consuming curiosity of “things I expect belief accuracy to have large impact on my utility”, which I doubt most of Less Wrong falls on.