You’re correct. I’m using the term “people” loosely. However, I wrote the grand-parent while fully informed of what the Babyeaters are. Did you mean to rebut something in particular in the above?
“All in favor of a 99% chance of dying horribly shortly after being born, in return for the 1% chance to partake in the crowning glory of babyeating cultural tradition, please raise your hands.”
If we translate it to our cultural context, we will get something like “All in favor of 100% dying horribly of old age, in return for good lives of your babies, please rise your hands”. They ARE aliens.
Well, we would say “no” to that, if we had the means to abolish old age. We’d want to have our cake and eat it too.
The text stipulates that it is within the BE’s technological means to abolish the suffering of the babies, so I expect that they would choose to do so, behind the Veil.
Who will ask them? FAI have no idea, that a) baby eating is bad, b) it should generalize moral values past BE to all conscious beings.
Even if FAI will ask that question and it turns out that majority of population don’t want to do inherently good thing (it is for them), then FAI must undergo controlled shutdown.
EDIT: To disambiguate. I am talking about FAI, which is implemented by BEs.
As we should not allow FAI to generalize morals past conscious beings, just to be sure, that it will not take CEV of all bacterium, so BEs should not allow their FAI to generalize past BEs.
As we should built in automatic off switch into our FAI, to stop it if its goals is inherently wrong, so should BEs.
It doesn’t seem from the story like the babies are gladly sacrificing for the tribe...
“But...” said the Master. “But, my Lady, if they want to be eaten—”
“They don’t,” said the Xenopsychologist. “Of course they don’t. They run from their parents when the terrible winnowing comes. The Babyeater children aren’t emotionally mature—I mean they don’t have their adult emotional state yet. Evolution would take care of anyone who wanted to get eaten. And they’re still learning, still making mistakes, so they don’t yet have the instinct to exterminate violators of the group code. It’s a simpler time for them. They play, they explore, they try out new ideas. They’re...” and the Xenopsychologist stopped. “Damn,” she said, and turned her head away from the table, covering her face with her hands. “Excuse me.” Her voice was unsteady. “They’re a lot like human children, really.”
Yes. It’s horrible. For us. But why FAI should place any weight on removing that? How FAI can generalize past “Life of Baby Eater is sacred” to “Life of every conscious being is sacred”? FAI has all evidence that latter is plain wrong.
Do You want convince me or FAI that it’s bad? I know that it is, I just try to demonstrate that FAI as it is, is about preservation and not development to (universally) better ends.
You’re correct. I’m using the term “people” loosely. However, I wrote the grand-parent while fully informed of what the Babyeaters are. Did you mean to rebut something in particular in the above?
If we translate it to our cultural context, we will get something like “All in favor of 100% dying horribly of old age, in return for good lives of your babies, please rise your hands”. They ARE aliens.
Well, we would say “no” to that, if we had the means to abolish old age. We’d want to have our cake and eat it too.
The text stipulates that it is within the BE’s technological means to abolish the suffering of the babies, so I expect that they would choose to do so, behind the Veil.
Yes, but a surprisingly large number of humans seem to react in horror when you talk about getting rid of aging.
Who will ask them? FAI have no idea, that a) baby eating is bad, b) it should generalize moral values past BE to all conscious beings.
Even if FAI will ask that question and it turns out that majority of population don’t want to do inherently good thing (it is for them), then FAI must undergo controlled shutdown.
EDIT: To disambiguate. I am talking about FAI, which is implemented by BEs.
As we should not allow FAI to generalize morals past conscious beings, just to be sure, that it will not take CEV of all bacterium, so BEs should not allow their FAI to generalize past BEs.
As we should built in automatic off switch into our FAI, to stop it if its goals is inherently wrong, so should BEs.
It doesn’t seem from the story like the babies are gladly sacrificing for the tribe...
Yes. It’s horrible. For us. But why FAI should place any weight on removing that? How FAI can generalize past “Life of Baby Eater is sacred” to “Life of every conscious being is sacred”? FAI has all evidence that latter is plain wrong.
Do You want convince me or FAI that it’s bad? I know that it is, I just try to demonstrate that FAI as it is, is about preservation and not development to (universally) better ends.