No, it’s OK. If you go off of his source, women want to be objectified, so it’s no harm, no foul. You just don’t know it yet. Brilliant, right?
Seriously, though, he’s deriving his theory from someone who evaluates the worth of men by their ability to score with attractive women [Edit: phrase removed]. The theory is more complicated than that, but, really, it’s not that much more complicated.
(In case it’s not entirely clear from the above, I emphatically don’t endorse this view.)
I don’t think Roissy claims women want to be objectified. He agrees with the majority opinion that they like to be treated like human beings, appreciated for the qualities particular to them as individuals etc.
He just adds the coda that giving women what they like is a very poor strategy for sleeping with as many of them as possible, as quickly as possible*. Roissy doesn’t really care what women want except insofar as knowing it furthers his aims, so this doesn’t create a great deal of cognitive dissonance for him.
It was in fact reading him that inspired me to write this comment yesterday.
*In fact, he claims it makes women disdain you and calls it “supplication”. The Roissy way is never explain, never apologise.
Note that number of affairs is a descriptor of all alphas and no betas, and it increases with rank. Thus, infidelity reflects a man’s worth positively.
If you’re not going off Roissy, I apologize for misinterpreting you, but your language and his matched up almost exactly, and I’ve seen him linked a bit here and on OB, so I figured that’s where the ideas came from.
Ok, so I don’t go off Roissy, and I don’t think that cheating on your partner is a good thing. I am more a fan of the people at Real Social Dynamics, e.g. Tyler Durden. Sure, there are plenty of people in the seduction world who have what we would call a “subgoal stomp” problem: being a little bit more alpha is a subgoal of a good life, but if you optimize that subgoal you end up with problems.
No, it’s OK. If you go off of his source, women want to be objectified, so it’s no harm, no foul. You just don’t know it yet. Brilliant, right?
Seriously, though, he’s deriving his theory from someone who evaluates the worth of men by their ability to score with attractive women [Edit: phrase removed]. The theory is more complicated than that, but, really, it’s not that much more complicated.
(In case it’s not entirely clear from the above, I emphatically don’t endorse this view.)
I don’t think Roissy claims women want to be objectified. He agrees with the majority opinion that they like to be treated like human beings, appreciated for the qualities particular to them as individuals etc.
He just adds the coda that giving women what they like is a very poor strategy for sleeping with as many of them as possible, as quickly as possible*. Roissy doesn’t really care what women want except insofar as knowing it furthers his aims, so this doesn’t create a great deal of cognitive dissonance for him.
It was in fact reading him that inspired me to write this comment yesterday.
*In fact, he claims it makes women disdain you and calls it “supplication”. The Roissy way is never explain, never apologise.
evidence?
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/defining-the-alpha-male/
Note that number of affairs is a descriptor of all alphas and no betas, and it increases with rank. Thus, infidelity reflects a man’s worth positively.
If you’re not going off Roissy, I apologize for misinterpreting you, but your language and his matched up almost exactly, and I’ve seen him linked a bit here and on OB, so I figured that’s where the ideas came from.
Ok, so I don’t go off Roissy, and I don’t think that cheating on your partner is a good thing. I am more a fan of the people at Real Social Dynamics, e.g. Tyler Durden. Sure, there are plenty of people in the seduction world who have what we would call a “subgoal stomp” problem: being a little bit more alpha is a subgoal of a good life, but if you optimize that subgoal you end up with problems.