I am just asking people to use their email client rather than their browser to write comments. And in a regular open thread they can write comments in the way they are used to when they primarily seek interaction with other readers or off topic discussion.
You underestimate how much nonrightwing people would be scared off by an actual right wing comment section. We are not therefore discussing expectations of quality or moderation here but only the trivial inconvenience of emailing them in.
I suspect your and gwerns comments are getting a lot of upvotes because of Far mode considerations and vague feelings of goodness around open discussion. Let me push that into Near mode and explain why unmoderated comments where never an option on the table. I very much expect that sooner or later we would end up at best with Unqualified Reservation’s comment section or at worst with that of Alternative Right’s. First I encourage the reader who is unfamiliar with them to google up both. Now tell me how many non right wing rationalists would comment there no matter how reasonable or interesting a hypotheticl article by an author?
The filter of moderation may keep interesting some comments at bay but eliminates far more of mindless politicking than pf the former. Ultimately that ratio is what I think matters.
This is easily checked, isn’t it? I propose that you keep the current policy for a month, then switch to regular pre-moderated blog comments for a month.
For example—and sorry for descending to object-level current politics- I wanted to reply to Mike’s off-hand mention of Putin as a successful and efficient modern authoritarian ruler with something along the lines of: ”Goddamnit, I actually live here, and I get to see the bureaucracy paralyzed with nepotism and corruption, the unsustainable loot-n-run resource-extracting economy, the barely functional public sector under perpetual directionless reform, the brewing sense of anger and despair due to social inequality, the uncontrollable and semi-criminal repressive apparatus, the growing cultural and ethnic rifts destroying what sense of shared identity us “Russians” had remaining...” Yet such a simple listing of complaints about Mike’s characterization doesn’t feel like enough to fire up an email for, and I don’t feel like going deeper into it. Would you view something like this as even marginally useful input?
Of course I agree that unmoderated comments would be a clusterfuck. Don’t think anyone was suggesting otherwise.
Feel free to explain. I’ve read Unqualified Reservations. I’ve read it for years. The comment section went downhill the moment Moldbug decreed he would no longer read or reply it and stopped even bothering spam filtering. All that shows is zero moderation and no karma system of any kind doesn’t work—which I don’t think anyone here would be terribly surprised by or was arguing for.
I was making the point that no moderation us terrible. With the implicit point that there isn’t much difference between moderated comments and emailed in comments. See Larry Austers blog for an example (warning I don’t agree with his positions).
With the implicit point that there isn’t muv difference between moderated comments and emailed in comments.
Which is stupid, and I refer you to my original comment, and particularly encourage you to re-read all articles and comments mentioning ‘trivial inconveniences’.
With the implicit point that there isn’t muv difference between moderated comments and emailed in comments.
There is, there really is. I don’t mind at all posting a comment and accepting moderation, but I won’t email anything to you. You can choose to be stubborn about accepting such a fact or you may not.
So you are saying there is a great difference? Very well I accept that tho the reason for the difference illudes me. This makes me more interested in the outcome of email only than before.
I am just asking people to use their email client rather than their browser to write comments. And in a regular open thread they can write comments in the way they are used to when they primarily seek interaction with other readers or off topic discussion.
You underestimate how much nonrightwing people would be scared off by an actual right wing comment section. We are not therefore discussing expectations of quality or moderation here but only the trivial inconvenience of emailing them in.
I suspect your and gwerns comments are getting a lot of upvotes because of Far mode considerations and vague feelings of goodness around open discussion. Let me push that into Near mode and explain why unmoderated comments where never an option on the table. I very much expect that sooner or later we would end up at best with Unqualified Reservation’s comment section or at worst with that of Alternative Right’s. First I encourage the reader who is unfamiliar with them to google up both. Now tell me how many non right wing rationalists would comment there no matter how reasonable or interesting a hypotheticl article by an author?
The filter of moderation may keep interesting some comments at bay but eliminates far more of mindless politicking than pf the former. Ultimately that ratio is what I think matters.
This is easily checked, isn’t it? I propose that you keep the current policy for a month, then switch to regular pre-moderated blog comments for a month.
For example—and sorry for descending to object-level current politics- I wanted to reply to Mike’s off-hand mention of Putin as a successful and efficient modern authoritarian ruler with something along the lines of:
”Goddamnit, I actually live here, and I get to see the bureaucracy paralyzed with nepotism and corruption, the unsustainable loot-n-run resource-extracting economy, the barely functional public sector under perpetual directionless reform, the brewing sense of anger and despair due to social inequality, the uncontrollable and semi-criminal repressive apparatus, the growing cultural and ethnic rifts destroying what sense of shared identity us “Russians” had remaining...”
Yet such a simple listing of complaints about Mike’s characterization doesn’t feel like enough to fire up an email for, and I don’t feel like going deeper into it. Would you view something like this as even marginally useful input?
Of course I agree that unmoderated comments would be a clusterfuck. Don’t think anyone was suggesting otherwise.
Moldbug did that to himself by not bothering to moderate any comments, even to remove Chinese goldfarming and Viagra spam.
“Want to see amateurs in home-made crowns pretend to open kindergartens? barelyregal.com″ - some commenter there.
/checks site, is disappointed does not exist
http://xkcd.com/305/
And of course, http://www.wetriffs.com/ (gallery ~NSFW) - but it’s really stagnated these past few years. Guess it wasn’t as hot as it seemed.
/is amused to note one LWer among the pics
Please reread the comment you replied to.
Feel free to explain. I’ve read Unqualified Reservations. I’ve read it for years. The comment section went downhill the moment Moldbug decreed he would no longer read or reply it and stopped even bothering spam filtering. All that shows is zero moderation and no karma system of any kind doesn’t work—which I don’t think anyone here would be terribly surprised by or was arguing for.
I was making the point that no moderation us terrible. With the implicit point that there isn’t much difference between moderated comments and emailed in comments. See Larry Austers blog for an example (warning I don’t agree with his positions).
Which is stupid, and I refer you to my original comment, and particularly encourage you to re-read all articles and comments mentioning ‘trivial inconveniences’.
There is, there really is. I don’t mind at all posting a comment and accepting moderation, but I won’t email anything to you. You can choose to be stubborn about accepting such a fact or you may not.
So you are saying there is a great difference? Very well I accept that tho the reason for the difference illudes me. This makes me more interested in the outcome of email only than before.
“Not bothering to moderate”
Worse! He has admitted to not even reading them.
I can understand not wanting to write a long, well-thought out comment that might never be seen by most of the intended audience.