Most intelligent beings in the multiverse share similar preferences.
I mean this could very well be true, but at best it points to some truths about convergent psychological evolution.
This came about because there are facts about what preferences one should have, just like there exist facts about what decision theory one should use or what prior one should have, and species that manage to build intergalactic civilizations
Sure, there are facts about what preferences would best enable the emergence of an intergalactic civilization. I struggle to see these as moral facts.
Also there’s definitely a manifest destiny evoking unquestioned moralizing of space exploration going on rn, almost like morality’s importance is only as an instrument to us becoming hegemonic masters of the universe. The angle you approached this question is value-laden in an idiosyncratic way (not in a particularly foreign way, here on less-wrong, but value-laden nonetheless)
One can recognize that one would be ”better off” with a different preference set without the alternate set being better in some objective sense.
change them to better fit the relevant moral facts.
I’m saying the self-reflective process that leads to increased parsimony between moral intuitions does not require objective realism of moral facts, or even the belief in moral realism. I guess this puts me somewhere between relativism and subjectivism according to your linked post?
Sure, there are facts about what preferences would best enable the emergence of an intergalactic civilization. I struggle to see these as moral facts.
There’s a misunderstanding/miscommunication here. I wasn’t suggesting “what preferences would best enable the emergence of an intergalactic civilization” are moral facts. Instead I was suggesting in that scenario that building an intergalactic civilization may require a certain amount of philosophical ability and willingness/tendency to be motivated by normative facts discovered through philosophical reasoning, and that philosophical ability could eventually enables that civilization to discover and be motivated by moral facts.
In other words, it’s [high philosophical ability/sophistication causes both intergalactic civilization and discovery of moral facts], not [discovery of “moral facts” causes intergalactic civilization].
Well, i struggle to articulate what exactly we disagree on, because I find no real issue with this comment. Maybe i would say “high philosophical ability/sophistication causes both intergalactic civilization and moral convergence.”? I hesitate to call the result of that moral convergence “moral fact,” though I can conceive of that convergence.
I mean this could very well be true, but at best it points to some truths about convergent psychological evolution.
Sure, there are facts about what preferences would best enable the emergence of an intergalactic civilization. I struggle to see these as moral facts.
Also there’s definitely a manifest destiny evoking unquestioned moralizing of space exploration going on rn, almost like morality’s importance is only as an instrument to us becoming hegemonic masters of the universe. The angle you approached this question is value-laden in an idiosyncratic way (not in a particularly foreign way, here on less-wrong, but value-laden nonetheless)
One can recognize that one would be ”better off” with a different preference set without the alternate set being better in some objective sense.
I’m saying the self-reflective process that leads to increased parsimony between moral intuitions does not require objective realism of moral facts, or even the belief in moral realism. I guess this puts me somewhere between relativism and subjectivism according to your linked post?
There’s a misunderstanding/miscommunication here. I wasn’t suggesting “what preferences would best enable the emergence of an intergalactic civilization” are moral facts. Instead I was suggesting in that scenario that building an intergalactic civilization may require a certain amount of philosophical ability and willingness/tendency to be motivated by normative facts discovered through philosophical reasoning, and that philosophical ability could eventually enables that civilization to discover and be motivated by moral facts.
In other words, it’s [high philosophical ability/sophistication causes both intergalactic civilization and discovery of moral facts], not [discovery of “moral facts” causes intergalactic civilization].
Well, i struggle to articulate what exactly we disagree on, because I find no real issue with this comment. Maybe i would say “high philosophical ability/sophistication causes both intergalactic civilization and moral convergence.”? I hesitate to call the result of that moral convergence “moral fact,” though I can conceive of that convergence.